OnePlus 5 –Official Specifications
- 5.5 inch 1920 x 1080 pixels FHD screen
- CPU:Qualcomm Snapdragon 835, Octa Core, 2.35GHz, 64bit
- GPU Adreno 540
- Android 7.1 OS
- Dual camera: 16MPixels Sony f/1.7 + 20MPixels Sony f/2.6 telephoto, LED flash
- 6GB/8GB RAM
- 64GB/128GB ROM
- 3300 mAh battery, Dash Charge
- Dual Nano SIM card dual standby
- FDD LTE/4G+/3G/GPS/dual band Wifi/Bluetooth/Miracast/OTG/ultrasonic fingerprint ID/NFC
- Networking: 2G: GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 – 3G: HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700(AWS) / 1900 / 2100 – 4G: LTE band 1(2100), 2(1900), 3(1800), 4(1700/2100), 5(850), 7(2600), 8(900), 12(700), 17(700), 18(800), 19(800), 20(800), 25(1900), 26(850), 28(700), 29(700), 30(2300), 38(2600), 39(1900), 40(2300), 41(2500), 66(1700/2100)
It features a 5,5 inch full HD AMOLED display, with impressive viewing angles, a fingerprint scanner positioned just below (0,1 sec reading speed), runs on Android 7.1.1 Nougat and it will be upgraded to Android O when it becomes available. The phone also supports 34 network bands, hinting at the company’s desire to build a flagship for the whole world.
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It packs a dual camera equipped with two sensors: 16MPixels Sony f/1.7 + 20MPixels Sony f/2.6 telephoto, dual tone LED flash, Fast Auto Focus and a 16Mpixels selfie camera positioned just above the AMOLED display.
The OnePlus 5 is the company’s thinnest flagship yet, measuring just 7.25mm but still it comes with a relatively average 3300 mAh battery with support for the Dash Charge technology that allows it to charge faster than the one inside Samsung Galaxy S8, offering impressive standby times. 
By the way, the 3.5mm headphone jack lives on, still on the bottom of the phone where it belongs!
The device will be available in two colors Midnight Black and Slate Grey with a starting price of 479$ in the US and 499 Euros in Europe and it will be available starting June 27!
| OnePlus 5 (6GB/64GB) | OnePlus 5 (8GB/128GB) | |
| Europe | €500 | €560 |
| UK | £450 | £500 |
| US | $480 | $540 |
| Canada | CAD 650 | CAD 720 |
| Denmark | DKK 3,800 | DKK 4,300 |
| Sweden | SEK 5,000 | SEK 5,500 |
| Hong Kong | HKD 3,700 | HKD 4,200 |
So? What do you think about it guys? You like its price I guess?
It’s official. It’ll be selling just below $500, I’m sold!
I’m not.
Already own a OP3 not really an upgrade and too expensive even for the lower model.
Had hoped for at least two new features/upgrades — 4000mAh Battery and dual cam. Dual cam alone is not worth the price.
I owned both op3 and op3t. there were obvious differences in the performance between those 2. Not forgetting the front cam and the obvious OIS. I think you will definitely see a performance jump on the op5 too cause I also own the Mi 6 (835) and the camera, obviously. 4000mAh batt, you can’t have it all. Even the Mi 6 won’t fit a 4000mAh in their flagships.
How is $479, too expensive? Are there any 835 comparison that has a 6GB ram that you can kindly point too besides the Mi 6? At those specs, anything below $500 can be considered cheap.
In Europe it´s more expensive than US…that´s not good…
US: 430€
EU: 500€
That would have been my first question, why? Second how do they dare to talk about impressive standby times? Screen On Time does matter. 3300 was average even in last year. What is the good in dash charge if I have to carry around the special “dash-able” charger?
Well, it’s because 835 is more efficient. I can confirm this because even on my Mi 6, I’m getting an average SOT of almost 6hrs with average usage on such battery capacity for the Mi 6. and I’m sure this can be further improved since the firmware is rather on the early stages and I’m on the developers ROM. Dash charge works differently than QC. Best you google or YouTube it on how it works and the differences.
Meh. As expected will skip. Screen FHD only. Limited LTE bands. Price puts it close to big brands flagships but they got greedy on at least 2 main features. Let’s be clear One Plus was never a flagship killer on features the only advantage was price. Better than many other Chinese brands but always skipping on something. Will sell on Asia, doubt it will get to much hype in West.
The original OnePlus was a $299 phone with a CyanogenMod ROM.
There’s nothing left from the concept of that phone.
They became just another company to pick between Samsung, HTC, LG and Moto.
Knowing their shitty post sale service I find hard to understand the reasons why someone would pick their phones over the ones provided by the companies cited above.
Yeah, but you can expect the next flagship to be at the same price tho. Economics doesn’t work like that. Currency value will only change. things and expenses will only get higher so as everything. OP will never be as expensive as Samsung, LG and etc. As their prices will go up too, naturally.
“but you can expect the next flagship to be at the same price tho”
Are you referring to OnePlus?
If so, how did you come out with that statement? They have been increasing the price every year with an increase of over 70% in a 4 year time span.
Are you saying that it all came from currency fluctuation? Lol
“Economics don’t work like that”
Again… What are you referring to?
Price of electronics decreased over the years. Laptop, phones, PCs…
In a piece of electronic the cost of components is relatively low and doesn’t affect the final price of the product.
New processes and technology made the final cost cheaper.
“OP will never be as expensive as Samsung…”
Maybe. They don’t offer services that other companies do. A support center means employees, rent, and other expenses that will fall into the phone cost.
The gap narrowed a lot, because the other companies kept the same price over the years. OP didn’t.
“Price of electronics decreased over the years. Laptop, Phones, PCs” That’s not exactly true tho, Max. Rather, older technologies get cheaper. What you paid for the latest Plasma TV, back then (When it 1st came out) is cheaper than what you’re paying for the latest OLED TV that’s out now. Things don’t get cheaper. Only older tech gets cheaper.
“Are you saying that it all came from currency fluctuation” Maybe or perhaps, probably from the inflations. People assume only other things but electronics, in general, will get more expensive but not entirely true. The prices are going up to for the latest hardware around too.
OP3T $439 – OP5 $479, S7$670 – S8 $720 The price bump is about the same or slightly higher for Samsung but Samsung is also already expensive. Hence they have more things to cover in terms of cost which is perfectly fine. OP is not selling their phone at the range of $700 so you know. If they do, it’ll be unjustified. They are still below $500. So, what’s the blowout here?
You’re missing my point and it feels you’re doing it on purpose.
I started the discussion comparing what was the OnePlus one and what is the OnePlus 5.
They are two different concepts and the price is not just a natural increase due to external factors.
Xiaomi MI series kept the price to ¥1999 for several years since MI2 until this recent year they went v to ¥2199.
That’s an increase that could be due to a increase of cost not a $299 to $470.
But hey, different opinions.
Not big deal
No, Max. I was actually answering all your points. That is why I was requoting you. Well Xiaomi was around much longer than OP. And you also have to put into factors when Xiaomi’s CEO said that they were making minimal profits from their phones. So, that’s why they have other products and also that’s why they are running ads on their phones to compensate. OP only does phones.
We’ll see how this one goes in matter of sales.
Personally I don’t have good feelings.
Hope I’m wrong
Yeah, we’ll just have to see how it goes, I guess.
Personally, I think their huge success comes from the custom community that it has. Just like what they said. You don’t just stumble on OP. If you have a OP meaning you know what you’re getting. I’m just happy they kept the jack. haha.
But Mi 6 is tough to beat tho. it’s a really good phone. I’m using it as my main now.
https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2015/mobile/long-term-price-trends-for-computers-tvs-and-related-items.htm
I have no argument with that. It’s true. Like I said, Max. Older tech gets cheaper. If you’re looking for the latest, hottest hardware stuff compared to then, It’s more expensive now. That graph only show general figure. It does not compared the latest tech. Phones in general are cheaper now but the latest phone then compared to the latest phone now, It’s more expensive now. You would know this If you were around then and now and a rather active tech shopper.
http://www.bankrate.com/finance/personal-finance/7-falling-price-tags-1.aspx
Here’s another article where phones are also listed next to general electronics.
There is a statistic study behind it, which means people do the math for you, and they do it for living.
That’s the trend and it’s a scientific result. Don’t let your perception over a small sample fool you.
Think about how much the cheapest Intel Celeron laptop used to cost 20 years ago and how much it would cost you today.
One was over $1000 and now you can get it for $200.
A big kick-ass tower PC could even cost up to $5000.
I don’t know how old you are now to see if you can remember.
I remember when I was a kid my dad bought the cheapest 14″ crt TV for my bedroom and that cost $400.
I bought the cheapest 32″ lcd TV for my son for $85.
Do you remember how much those 1000 lbs big TVs used to cost?
I’m almost 40 years old and I remember the first tacs and GSM cell cost over $1500 and people didn’t even bother spending that kind of money.
It was a status symbol, to let people fooling themselves.
Prices of electronics did decrease over the time and by a lot.
The cheapest Celeron is still considered old tech, Max. You have to put into consideration of the manufacturing process. The technology back then to produce these were rather unrefined. Therefore even the cheapest oldest phone back then is expensive. Now, generally with tech advancement and commercialization, like I said it’s generally cheaper and more affordable now. But as I said the “LATEST TECH” now is still more expensive then the latest tech then. You don’t need a graph to know this, Max. If you were shopping for the latest plasma TV back then when it 1st came out and for the latest Oled tech tv now, you would know. Back then only the rich can afford a colour TV, now, everyone can.
Not to speak about the look (no deal breaker for me, but…), my OPO at least had a unique feelin’ and, well, similar look to OPPO Find 7 (?) but… to copy an iPhone, seriously? What’s next, software update to resemble iOS?
exact thought came into my mind when i saw this
atleast Nubia was dignified at $411
There still is a substential difference of pricing between One Plus and Sammy/ HTC/LG/Moto when it comes to flagships ^^
But as you wrote, this difference is diminishing year after year and we may be reaching a point where this difference isn’t balancing the lack of services inherent to chinese products for a westerner customer.
Now as a company, it seems OK for them to release their first handsets with an agressive pricing to attract the market and build their brand image… then a few years later switch on a more conventional pricing to please their investors.
Another reason may be the first O+ was based on Oppo’s Find 7, so R&D costs were greatly inferiors to what they are now.
Mixed bag. Good SoC, very disappointing screen (really FHD only in 2017 for a flagship ?). And unexpectedly appears to have a bad camera ? !
(https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/06/oneplus-5-review-the-best-sub-500-phone-you-can-buy/ ). Camera was supposed to be the main feature, but samples do not look good at all. Some may be able to be fixed in firmware (doubt that they will be) other like bad camera focus is not firmware is hardware will never be fixed, don’t hope.
I don’t think price is low enough to compromise. $500 is to high for compromising .Except the SoC nothing special on it, design looks “old” comparing with other new phones. ( exact copy of iPhone even the corners have exact same radius).And the updates (Don’t expect many , maybe Android O and that’s it).
Why not FHD ?
Youre eyes won’t see any difference between FHD and QHD, except if you use VR. But VR offer is sooooo poor on Android, you’ll end up with a screen eating your battery for nothing as you’ll try VR for a few days, and then forget your helmet.
im sounding like more and more of an employee by the day but… cant these flagships start getting a standard capacity of 4000mah im really impresses with what the umi z1 pro did if its legit measurements that is, but if oneplus goes this route they will prosper in my opinion in mainstream
True. 4000mAh on a flagship would be nice. I think we need an evolutionary breakthrough on our batt tech for smartphones tho. We are stretching the limits on size to capacity ratio.
we really are stretching the limits, why have all this flagship power if its going to die so quickly
Meh. P10 Plus then.
The Honor 8 pro will probably be a better deal than the P10 plus
P10 Plus is 2 times more expensive ^^
Not really, you’re not even close. 729 VS 560, that’s not +100%, that’s +30%. But then you have 1440p screen, 3750mAh, Leica camera set-up, IR blaster etc.
well, that seems like a good bargain, if you’re willing to spend that much !
It’s a fair price for a sick top of the line smartphone, I think. If it were an iPhone or Samsung it would certainly be more like 899. I’ve had a lot of affordable Chinaphones through the years, like just about the whole Jiayu range that started off with the G2. Then Neomobile, Doogee, Kingzone, Elephone, Ulefone, UMI, Vernee… but I was sorta done with the whole ‘lets render something and never release it’ Elephone or UMI that would just update the phone slightly and regularly, like once you’ve had your phone in, the new one was already announced. With that firmware support for your model fading away… I finally bought the ZTE Nubia Z9 which was a gorgeous flagship phone, way ahead of its time. Not cheap, but especially if you want DualSIM phones, you didn’t have too many high-end options and now you do. Think the Huawei makes a pretty solid successor. There’s a phone for everybody and it’s quite good value if budget doesn’t weigh in too much on your decision.
It’s official. It’ll be selling just below $500, I’m sold!
I’m not.
Already own a OP3 not really an upgrade and too expensive even for the lower model.
Had hoped for at least two new features/upgrades — 4000mAh Battery and dual cam. Dual cam alone is not worth the price.
I owned both op3 and op3t. there were obvious differences in the performance between those 2. Not forgetting the front cam and the obvious OIS. I think you will definitely see a performance jump on the op5 too cause I also own the Mi 6 (835) and the camera, obviously. 4000mAh batt, you can’t have it all. Even Xiaomi won’t fit a 4000mAh in the Mi 6.
How is $479, too expensive? Are there any 835 comparison that has a 6GB ram that you can kindly point to besides the Mi 6? At those specs, anything below $500 can be considered cheap.
In Europe it´s more expensive than US…that´s not good…
US: 430€
EU: 500€
That would have been my first question, why? Second how do they dare to talk about impressive standby times? Screen On Time does matter. 3300 was average even in last year. What is the good in dash charge if I have to carry around the special “dash-able” charger?
Well, it’s because 835 is more efficient. I can confirm this because even on my Mi 6, I’m getting an average SOT of almost 6hrs with average usage on such battery capacity for the Mi 6. and I’m sure this can be further improved since the firmware is rather on the early stages and I’m on the developers ROM. Dash charge works differently than QC. Best you google or YouTube it on how it works and the differences.
Meh. As expected will skip. Screen FHD only. Limited LTE bands. Price puts it close to big brands flagships but they got greedy on at least 2 main features. Let’s be clear One Plus was never a flagship killer on features the only advantage was price. Better than many other Chinese brands but always skipping on something. Will sell on Asia, doubt it will get to much hype in West.
The original OnePlus was a $299 phone with a CyanogenMod ROM.
There’s nothing left from the concept of that phone.
They became just another company to pick between Samsung, HTC, LG and Moto.
Knowing their shitty post sale service I find hard to understand the reasons why someone would pick their phones over the ones provided by the companies cited above.
Yeah, but you can expect the next flagship to be at the same price tho. Economics doesn’t work like that. Currency value will only change. things and expenses will only get higher so as everything. OP will never be as expensive as Samsung, LG and etc. As their prices will go up too, naturally.
“but you can expect the next flagship to be at the same price tho”
Are you referring to OnePlus?
If so, how did you come out with that statement? They have been increasing the price every year with an increase of over 70% in a 4 year time span.
Are you saying that it all came from currency fluctuation? Lol
“Economics don’t work like that”
Again… What are you referring to?
Price of electronics decreased over the years. Laptop, phones, PCs…
In a piece of electronic the cost of components is relatively low and doesn’t affect the final price of the product.
New processes and technology made the final cost cheaper.
“OP will never be as expensive as Samsung…”
Maybe. They don’t offer services that other companies do. A support center means employees, rent, and other expenses that will fall into the phone cost.
The gap narrowed a lot, because the other companies kept the same price over the years. OP didn’t.
“Price of electronics decreased over the years. Laptop, Phones, PCs” That’s not exactly true tho, Max. Rather, older technologies get cheaper. What you paid for the latest Plasma TV, back then (When it 1st came out) is cheaper than what you’re paying for the latest OLED TV that’s out now. Things don’t get cheaper. Only older tech gets cheaper.
“Are you saying that it all came from currency fluctuation” Maybe or perhaps, probably from the inflations. People assume only other things but electronics, in general, will get more expensive but not entirely true. The prices are going up to for the latest hardware around too.
OP3T $439 – OP5 $479, S7$670 – S8 $720 The price bump is about the same or slightly higher for Samsung but Samsung is also already expensive. Hence they have more things to cover in terms of cost which is perfectly fine. OP is not selling their phone at the range of $700 so you know. If they do, it’ll be unjustified. They are still below $500. So, what’s the blowout here?
You’re missing my point and it feels you’re doing it on purpose.
I started the discussion comparing what was the OnePlus one and what is the OnePlus 5.
They are two different concepts and the price is not just a natural increase due to external factors.
Xiaomi MI series kept the price to ¥1999 for several years since MI2 until this recent year they went v to ¥2199.
That’s an increase that could be due to a increase of cost not a $299 to $470.
But hey, different opinions.
Not big deal
No, Max. I was actually answering all your points. That is why I was requoting you. Well Xiaomi was around much longer than OP. And you also have to put into factors when Xiaomi’s CEO said that they were making minimal profits from their phones. So, that’s why they have other products and also that’s why they are running ads on their phones to compensate. OP only does phones.
We’ll see how this one goes in matter of sales.
Personally I don’t have good feelings.
Hope I’m wrong
Yeah, we’ll just have to see how it goes, I guess.
Personally, I think their huge success comes from the custom community that it has. Just like what they said. You don’t just stumble on OP. If you have a OP meaning you know what you’re getting. I’m just happy they kept the jack. haha.
But Mi 6 is tough to beat tho. it’s a really good phone. I’m using it as my main now.
Not to speak about the look (no deal breaker for me, but…), my OPO at least had a unique feelin’ and, well, similar look to OPPO Find 7 (?) but… to copy an iPhone, seriously? What’s next, software update to resemble iOS?
exact thought came into my mind when i saw this
atleast Nubia was dignified at $411
There still is a substential difference of pricing between One Plus and Sammy/ HTC/LG/Moto when it comes to flagships ^^
But as you wrote, this difference is diminishing year after year and we may be reaching a point where this difference isn’t balancing the lack of services inherent to chinese products for a westerner customer.
Now as a company, it seems OK for them to release their first handsets with an agressive pricing to attract the market and build their brand image… then a few years later switch on a more conventional pricing to please their investors.
Another reason may be the first O+ was based on Oppo’s Find 7, so R&D costs were greatly inferiors to what they are now.
https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2015/mobile/long-term-price-trends-for-computers-tvs-and-related-items.htm
I have no argument with that. It’s true. Like I said, Max. Older tech gets cheaper. If you’re looking for the latest, hottest hardware stuff compared to then, It’s more expensive now. That graph only show general figure. It does not compared the latest tech. Phones in general are cheaper now but the latest phone then compared to the latest phone now, It’s more expensive now. You would know this If you were around then and now and a rather active tech shopper.
http://www.bankrate.com/finance/personal-finance/7-falling-price-tags-1.aspx
Here’s another article where phones are also listed next to general electronics.
There is a statistic study behind it, which means people do the math for you, and they do it for living.
That’s the trend and it’s a scientific result. Don’t let your perception over a small sample fool you.
Think about how much the cheapest Intel Celeron laptop used to cost 20 years ago and how much it would cost you today.
One was over $1000 and now you can get it for $200.
A big kick-ass tower PC could even cost up to $5000.
I don’t know how old you are now to see if you can remember.
I remember when I was a kid my dad bought the cheapest 14″ crt TV for my bedroom and that cost $400.
I bought the cheapest 32″ lcd TV for my son for $85.
Do you remember how much those 1000 lbs big TVs used to cost?
I’m almost 40 years old and I remember the first tacs and GSM cell cost over $1500 and people didn’t even bother spending that kind of money.
It was a status symbol, to let people fooling themselves.
Prices of electronics did decrease over the time and by a lot.
The cheapest Celeron is still considered old tech, Max. You have to put into consideration of the manufacturing process. The technology back then to produce these were rather unrefined. Therefore even the cheapest oldest phone back then is expensive. Now, generally with tech advancement and commercialization, like I said it’s generally cheaper and more affordable now. But as I said the “LATEST TECH” now is still more expensive then the latest tech then. You don’t need a graph to know this, Max. If you were shopping for the latest plasma TV back then when it 1st came out and for the latest Oled tech tv now, you would know. Back then only the rich can afford a colour TV, now, everyone can.
Mixed bag. Good SoC, very disappointing screen (really FHD only in 2017 for a flagship ?). And unexpectedly appears to have a bad camera ? !
(https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/06/oneplus-5-review-the-best-sub-500-phone-you-can-buy/ ). Camera was supposed to be the main feature, but samples do not look good at all. Some may be able to be fixed in firmware (doubt that they will be) other like bad camera focus is not firmware is hardware will never be fixed, don’t hope.
I don’t think price is low enough to compromise. $500 is to high for compromising .Except the SoC nothing special on it, design looks “old” comparing with other new phones. ( exact copy of iPhone even the corners have exact same radius).And the updates (Don’t expect many , maybe Android O and that’s it).
Why not FHD ?
Youre eyes won’t see any difference between FHD and QHD, except if you use VR. But VR offer is sooooo poor on Android, you’ll end up with a screen eating your battery for nothing as you’ll try VR for a few days, and then forget your helmet.
im sounding like more and more of an employee by the day but… cant these flagships start getting a standard capacity of 4000mah im really impresses with what the umi z1 pro did if its legit measurements that is, but if oneplus goes this route they will prosper in my opinion in mainstream
True. 4000mAh on a flagship would be nice. I think we need an evolutionary breakthrough on our batt tech for smartphones tho. We are stretching the limits on size to capacity ratio.
we really are stretching the limits, why have all this flagship power if its going to die so quickly
Meh. P10 Plus then.
The Honor 8 pro will probably be a better deal than the P10 plus
P10 Plus is 2 times more expensive ^^
Not really, you’re not even close. 729 VS 560, that’s not +100% (but feel free to go for the Porsche Design Mate 9 Pro @ 1395 bucks), that’s +30%. But then you have 1440p screen, 3750mAh, Leica camera set-up, IR blaster etc.
well, that seems like a good bargain, if you’re willing to spend that much !
It’s a fair price for a sick top of the line smartphone, I think. If it were an iPhone or Samsung it would certainly be more like 899. I’ve had a lot of affordable Chinaphones through the years, like just about the whole Jiayu range that started off with the G2. Then Neomobile, Doogee, Kingzone, Elephone, Ulefone, UMI, Vernee… but I was sorta done with the whole ‘lets render something and never release it’ Elephone or UMI that would just update the phone slightly and regularly, like once you’ve had your phone in, the new one was already announced. With that firmware support for your model fading away… I finally bought the ZTE Nubia Z9 which was a gorgeous flagship phone, way ahead of its time. Not cheap, but especially if you want DualSIM phones, you didn’t have too many high-end options and now you do. Think the Huawei makes a pretty solid successor. There’s a phone for everybody and it’s quite good value if budget doesn’t weigh in too much on your decision.
— of course it’s even better if you can save a couple of bucks to put to good use another way. So if the OnePlus would be super close to any of the new flagships, that would’ve been awesome. I always considered them good competition, but now they kinda fall in no man’s land… not cheap enough to wow the budget crowd, not wow enough to be considered a -killer.
what do we have?
-unknown camera sensors (why they didnt mention?)
small pixels on wide angle camera (like the mi5), mi6’s ones are much bigger
even smaller pixels on normal lens camera
-battery smaller than on mi6 (what a shame, OP5 is much bigger!)
-no IR blaster
-AMOLED meaning pentile and sharpness less than on 1080 IPS (and it is half inch bigger than mi6’s one)
-Aluminium instead of steel, no interchangeable back
-Incredibly high price
no way, guys
the price should be 250 bucks to make me buy this instead of mi6
I lol’d at IR blaster.
They did. If you just use your lazy fingers to google, you can find the answer to the sensors. Which are IMX398 (Primary), IMX350 (Tele) and IMX371(front).
250 bucks? You must be joking.. name me a phone that cost $250 that has 835 in it? heck you can’t even get a 821 chipset phone with that price.. if you can’t afford it, just stick to phones in your price range.. (eventho I wouldn’t call $479 being expensive to begin with..)
ok no problem, I thought that sensor model should be a priori mentioned on this website
but nothing has changed – we have mi5-ish 1.12 um pixels
nobody can deny that using 1.25 or 1.4 um pixels will be signhificantly better, even for that price tag
I mean, that having the aforementioned drawbacks, OP should put really low price tag to convince me to buy it
ANd, 479 is really expensive
Normal flagship price is 2000-2500 rmb
everything above incl. Samsung is overpriced due to marketing costs or whatever
So tell me, what does OP have, that really distinguishes it from mi6, honor 9 etc. and is worth extra 150 bucks??
Samsung is overpriced due to the marketing cost and wtv? Haha. Do you even know how much was the S8 BOM? Not forgetting R&D cost? And many more other things that you don’t see. Smaller companies like OP only buy parts from these bigger guys who spent real money on R&D. If everything is cheap including major brands like Samsung, the phone tech will be in the standstill cause no one wants to pay for R&D. You should understand all this 1st before saying such uneducated statement.
dont you see profit figures of samsung and apple? Maybe you know that they earn billions of profit, they have incredible economies of scale and scope so they overweigh all these R&D expenses. Remember that OnePlus is not a small company, it is an external subsidiary of Chinese smartphone giant.
And, remember that big guys like Samsung did not develop Snapdragon 835, Sony Exmor RS, Hynix RAM, etc. etc.
Yes, Samsung has business units that allow some vertical integration, but Apple, for example, dosent have display business at all.
A device composed from Qualcomm, Hynix, Sony and many more leading parts will be no way worse than vertically integrated Samsung thing.
Yes, Samsung developed some crappy bloatware like kies and not bad camera algorythms, but nothing really special that can justify that 2-3 time price difference.
Of course they are making big profits too. Is Samsung a charity organization?? Should they be getting minimal profit and do the public a favor? Seriously? Since you are willing to spent just $250, go for a Lenovo or something.
of course they are small comparing to Samsung
But why you think that they are really independent? It is the same economies of scale, and OP is just using what OPPO/BBK giant has, smth like Motorola/Lenovo are doing.
I’m not saying they have to be a charity organization (but as a consumer, I would like to have smth like this)
I’m just saying they use the model where consumer pays very high price for Samsung’s PR and marketing expenses. I dont need such expenses, I would like to have the price lower and not to listen and see these stupid ads, stores etc. everywhere but sadly, that is not our case, market economy works like this.
They take market price of S8’s parts, so they dont count discounts for Samsung for incredible volumes and (surprise!) transfer prices.
Of course Samsung will not sell its widely advertised AMOLED for cheap to other companies.
What nonsense are you babbling about discounts? BOMS are required to be precise for tax purposes and other things. Whatever discounts they were given It should have already been reflected on the BOM. I’m talking based on facts and not assumption like your discounts. There’s really no point of discussing further since, you obviously have no idea you’re talking about.
what do we have?
-unknown camera sensors (why they didnt mention?)
small pixels on wide angle camera (like the mi5), mi6’s ones are much bigger
even smaller pixels on normal lens camera
-battery smaller than on mi6 (what a shame, OP5 is much bigger!)
-no IR blaster
-AMOLED meaning pentile and sharpness less than on 1080 IPS (and it is half inch bigger than mi6’s one)
-Aluminium instead of steel, no interchangeable back
-Incredibly high price
no way, guys
the price should be 250 bucks to make me buy this instead of mi6
I lol’d at IR blaster.
They did. If you just use your lazy fingers to google, you can find the answer to the sensors. Which are IMX398 (Primary), IMX350 (Tele) and IMX371(front).
250 bucks? You must be joking.. name me a phone that cost $250 that has 835 in it? heck you can’t even get a 821 chipset phone with that price.. if you can’t afford it, just stick to phones in your price range.. (eventho I wouldn’t call $479 being expensive to begin with..)
ok no problem, I thought that sensor model should be a priori mentioned on this website
but nothing has changed – we have mi5-ish 1.12 um pixels
nobody can deny that using 1.25 or 1.4 um pixels will be signhificantly better, even for that price tag
I mean, that having the aforementioned drawbacks, OP should put really low price tag to convince me to buy it
ANd, 479 is really expensive
Normal flagship price is 2000-2500 rmb
everything above incl. Samsung is overpriced due to marketing costs or whatever
So tell me, what does OP have, that really distinguishes it from mi6, honor 9 etc. and is worth extra 150 bucks??
Samsung is overpriced due to the marketing cost and wtv? Haha. Do you even know how much was the S8 BOM? Not forgetting R&D cost? And many more other things that you don’t see. Smaller companies like OP only buy parts from these bigger guys who spent real money on R&D. If everything is cheap including major brands like Samsung, the phone tech will be in the standstill cause no one wants to pay for R&D. You should understand all this 1st before saying such uneducated statement.
Little fact for you. Galaxy S8 bill of materials (BOM) is $301.60. That is not even including the fees for Marketing, R&D, HR, Logistics and etc.
dont you see profit figures of samsung and apple? Maybe you know that they earn billions of profit, they have incredible economies of scale and scope so they overweigh all these R&D expenses. Remember that OnePlus is not a small company, it is an external subsidiary of Chinese smartphone giant.
And, remember that big guys like Samsung did not develop Snapdragon 835, Sony Exmor RS, Hynix RAM, etc. etc.
Yes, Samsung has business units that allow some vertical integration, but Apple, for example, dosent have display business at all.
A device composed from Qualcomm, Hynix, Sony and many more leading parts will be no way worse than vertically integrated Samsung thing.
Yes, Samsung developed some crappy bloatware like kies and not bad camera algorythms, but nothing really special that can justify that 2-3 time price difference.
They take market price of S8’s parts, so they dont count discounts for Samsung for incredible volumes and (surprise!) transfer prices.
Of course Samsung will not sell its widely advertised AMOLED for cheap to other companies.
What nonsense are you babbling about discounts? BOMs are required to be precise for tax purposes and other things. Whatever discounts they were given It should have already been reflected on the BOM. I’m talking based on facts and not on assumptions like your discount. There’s really no point of discussing further since, you obviously have no idea what you’re talking about.
Of course they are making big profits too. Is Samsung a charity organization?? Should they be getting minimal profit and do the public a favor? Seriously? Since you are willing to spend just $250, go for a Lenovo or something. And more facts for you. The 835 was codeveloped by samsung and qualcomm using samsung’s 10nm technology and oneplus is small. They acknowledged it themselves. They are a sub of oppo but they are not oppo so dont get mixed up on how it works.
of course they are small comparing to Samsung
But why you think that they are really independent? It is the same economies of scale, and OP is just using what OPPO/BBK giant has, smth like Motorola/Lenovo are doing.
I’m not saying they have to be a charity organization (but as a consumer, I would like to have smth like this)
I’m just saying they use the model where consumer pays very high price for Samsung’s PR and marketing expenses. I dont need such expenses, I would like to have the price lower and not to listen and see these stupid ads, stores etc. everywhere but sadly, that is not our case, market economy works like this.
500€ in Europe ? WTF is wrong with ’em guys. An item priced $480 in US should be sold 400€ in Europe, not 500€.
I was interested by this phone, as Oppo is waiting 2030 to release Find 9, but at this price… no – fucking – way
$438 in china tho. If you ever dropby. haha. Should look into the Mi 6. It’s a solid phone, if you don’t mind the missing hole, of course. But they do have the adpater included. If I could take a guess. The logistics, hr and etc probably cost more for them to enter eu.
I won’t be flying to China in a near future, so $438 in China is a base cost on which I’ll add reseller markup. Liaow is selling it for $569, Oppomart for $519, Geekbuying $549, …
I often take pics with my phone so I can’t buy a Xiaomi device : their cam are terrible. I’ll wait for an interesting price on a serious camphone, and use my V10 a few months more 😉
I never had the V10 but the images on my Mi 6 is better than the ones from my LG G6 tho. Although, I do enjoy the wide angle lens on the G6. Personally, of all the phones I’ve had. I’d say Mate 9 has a really good camera if image quality is what you’re looking for. The Honor 8 pro might be a good choice if you’re looking for a bargain with good cameras. It’s not Leica tuned but I’m sure Huawei uses the same tech for it anyways.
The problem with Huawei is they don’t care about european LTE bands and i’ll end up with a phone without B20 -_- that’s a shame and I would already have bought phones from this brand if they had B20.
BTW thx for your advices
They do have band 20 on their global version tho. In China, Honor 8 pro is being sold as Huawei V9. The Honor 8 pro (for global market) do have band 20 on board. Shouldn’t be a problem for you now. 😉
interesting…I’ll check that . thx
Dual camera setup with crappy sensors, no improvement in display or bezels, no water or dust resistance. Bump in processor, bump in flash memory speed and bump in price. Thankfully the audio jack is present. An underwhelming launch for me. That said almost all launches from China have been so, other than Nubia Z17. I gonna say the LG G6 is probably the most well rounded phone launched this year.
500€ in Europe ? WTF is wrong with ’em guys. An item priced $480 in US should be sold 400€ in Europe, not 500€.
I was interested by this phone, as Oppo is waiting 2030 to release Find 9, but at this price… no – fucking – way
$438 in china tho. If you ever dropby. haha. Should look into the Mi 6. It’s a solid phone, if you don’t mind the missing hole, of course. But they do have the adpater included. If I could take a guess. The logistics, hr and etc probably cost more for them to enter eu.
I won’t be flying to China in a near future, so $438 in China is a base cost on which I’ll add reseller markup. Liaow is selling it for $569, Oppomart for $519, Geekbuying $549, …
I often take pics with my phone so I can’t buy a Xiaomi device : their cam are terrible. I’ll wait for an interesting price on a serious camphone, and use my V10 a few months more 😉
I never had the V10 but the images on my Mi 6 is better than the ones from my LG G6 tho. Although, I do enjoy the wide angle lens on the G6. Personally, of all the phones I’ve had. I’d say Mate 9 has a really good camera if image quality is what you’re looking for. The Honor 8 pro might be a good choice if you’re looking for a bargain with good cameras. It’s not Leica tuned but I’m sure Huawei uses the same tech for it anyways.
The problem with Huawei is they don’t care about european LTE bands and i’ll end up with a phone without B20 -_- that’s a shame and I would already have bought phones from this brand if they had B20.
BTW thx for your advices
They do have band 20 on their global version tho. In China, Honor 8 pro is being sold as Huawei V9. The Honor 8 pro (for global market) do have band 20 on board. Shouldn’t be a problem for you now. 😉
interesting…I’ll check that . thx
How about this:
https://9to5google.com/2017/06/21/oneplus-cheating-benchmarks-despite-warnings/
Dual camera setup with crappy sensors, no improvement in display or bezels, no water or dust resistance. Bump in processor, bump in flash memory speed and bump in price. Thankfully the audio jack is present. An underwhelming launch for me. That said almost all launches from China have been so, other than Nubia Z17. I gonna say the LG G6 is probably the most well rounded phone launched this year.
How about this:
https://9to5google.com/2017/06/21/oneplus-cheating-benchmarks-despite-warnings/