If rumours are correct, Xiaomi will continue to keep their flagship Mi phones smaller than the norm with Xiaomi Mi5 details pointing at a 2K, 5.2-inch display.
Xiaomi recently received a patent for its own fingerprint scanning technology, a feature found in many high-end devices, and one which is now tipped for inclusion in the Mi5.
Not only a fingerprint scanner though, new rumours also tell us that Xiaomi will continue to offer their top of the range phone with a smaller display. The current Mi4 has a 5-inch panel, where as the Mi5 is believed to get a 5.2-inch screen with 2560 x 1440 resolution. The norm for his level of phone is current 5.5-inch.
Qualcomm seems to be on board still providing a Snapdragon 810 SoC, there will be 4GB RAM too and a 3000mAh battery. The final detail we hear today is that the main camera will be a 16 mega-pixel model with OIS.
This year Xiaomi already launched the Mi Note at a higher price tag, but we believe the Mi5 will retain the trademark 1999 Yuan price tag for China.
What do you make of these Mi5 specs? Do you think a 2K resolution on a 5.2-inch display is a little overkill?
Likely just baseless speculation from that dude.
Selling Snapdragon 810 is going to get a lot harder later this year when the A72 based Snapdragon 620 shows up and it’s faster. So if they don’t launch it now there isn’t much of a point going SD810 in late july (1 year after the MI4). And alternatives are not easy to find….
I think that’s the problem, what is the alternative? MT still need to sort out a decent GPU and doubt Samsung will want to sell rival manufactures it’s latest and greatest exynos SoC and Kirin isn’t an option so that only leaves Qualcomm despite the current issues with the 810. Think I’m gonna wait till end of the year before upgrading to a flagship to see what next gen SoCs have to offer.
The funny thing that most people have failed to figure out is that the GPUs in Mediatek’s SoCs starting from MT6595 have been more than enought o handle just about anything you through at it.
According to Andi’s review, there was no difference in gaming between the Meizu MX4 and any SD801/805 smartphone.
So, why do we all keep yarping about GPU prowess in MT SoCs? They know whats good for your phones and thats what they are giving you and not some overkill GPU that you will hardly push up to 3/4 of its full performance.
Just tell me….WHAT THE HELL IS THE POINT?
Well since you asked TWICE I will tell you! lol
I’m all for MT as I don’t like the high prices Qualcomm charge BUT there are no true flagships coming out with MT processors. I would like the Vivo xplay 5s but that will have the SD810 inside as will most high end phones for the foreseeable future. The fact is I’ve always bought low/midrange phones and then I get bored after 6-8 months as it just doesn’t cut it for me. I would like to buy a high end phone with a 6″ 2K screen that will be able to handle everything I throw at it for the next 2 years or so, the fact is there won’t be any MT powered devices like this. Xiaomi, Vivo, Oppo etc all use SD SoC’s in their high end devices. If you need more proof then just look at the Meizu MX4 pro, that ditched the MT6595 in favour of the more powerful Exynos from Samsung, no doubt because of the much more powerful GPU to push those extra pixels. I’m really hoping that the upcoming MT6797 will have a good GPU and that MT finally realise it takes more than just adding extra CPU cores to make a great SoC, the GPU has to be just as capable! At the end of the day the Adreno 330 is much more powerful than anything MT are offering and that’s a good few years old now!
Rob you do realize that bragging rights is one thing and useability is another thing too. I understand what you mean about a true flagship SoC, but coming to think of it, is there any game out there that you will throw at the MT6595/6795 that it cant handle? I mean that it cant handle effortlessly? Name one and I will give it a test.
Given that Qualcomm make good SoCs albeit expensive compared to their MT counterparts, but then I am looking at useability here.
MT started with 8-cores, Qualcomm criticized them and guess what? The same Qualcomm has jumped into the 8-core SoC bandwagon too. They have understood that more cores means better multitasking. 4 heavy cores is excellent, but at the same time, 8 medium cores will be able to carry more load at the same time than those 4 heavy cores (basically the reason why Intel Hyper-threads their processors so that they can handle 20% more multitasking load).
Back to the GPUs, Adreno 330 is superb and now we have the Adreno 420/30s, common we are not playing desktop grade high quality games with lots of pixel and vertex shading going on as your GPU crunches the pixels on your screen. I am a 3D graphics modeler/animator and I have to tell you that mobile games are still miles from reaching the quality of their desktop counterparts. No need for all these hullaballos about powerful this and powerful that on mobile GPUs. Yes we do do a good GPU in our phones to handle our games (I play lots of games on my smarthones and tablets too) but I dont see a reason in having an overkill GPU that your games can hardly push stress in any foreseeable way.
Whilst I partly agree the fact is no manufacturer is producing high end phones with them so either they think they lack power or they believe consumers demand more power. Either way the end result is the same, no high end phones! Because of MT’s past there’s a consensus that they only produce budget CPU’s so they need to work twice as hard to shake that image and that means making some seriously good chips. Until then they won’t crack the high end market and that means strong GPUs.
Just in case I didnt understand you very well, are you saying that mean the MT6795 is not high end?
Adreno 4x is pure marketing as the many cores from MT is as well.
You might think it differently but I’m a huge fan of MT.
I look to them with criticism though. I don’t get excited when they announce 10+ cores, I do when they come out with fast charge technology though.
GPU is still a bottle neck on high end SoC, you can’t deny it.
Low and middle range SoC are not simply Good, they are superb!
High end? Forget about money and put a t760 mp6!
That’s what I would like to see, the GPUs they are using aren’t bad, they just need more cores like other vendors are using.
In fact those GPUs are good on a midrange SoC.
He finds hard to understand why a better GPU is needed on high end SoC but then he’s always looking on Antutu score.
I agree with you about the 6795 not being a high end, and it’s not just us sayingsaying it, all the tech experts have been said that for a while now. The GPU is one thing, the lack of DDR4 ram in another, the manufacturing process is another one.
They had a chance on taking the lead on high end due to Qualcomm wrong step, and they didn’t take advantage of it. We are still seeing flagships coming out with a crippled SD810 rather than go with mediatek.
Hopefully they will learn the lesson for the future.
I agree 110%. I’m a fan Mediatek and that’s why I’m critical. They are so close to making a great cpu and then it seems they always make one bad decision and ruin all there hard work. I don’t want a phone with crippled 810 but what’s the alternative other than to wait? After everything he says (Michael) he’s gonna buy this phone that has a more powerful GPU than any MT chip! Really hoping the 6797 has a great GPU as it had all the ingredients to be a great SoC.
LOL … hey Rob, I am a MT fan too. And I too do criticize them too. Qualcomm phones come out as crazily expensive for my liking. Not that I cant afford them but why throw in all the money in just one phone? I might as well use the money for something else or give it to someone who has less.
Just like Max said before, yes MT GPUs are superb for what they are meant for only that MT uses lesser number of cores on their GPUs thereby crippling its performance more or less. I did not like what they did with the 6795 though. Was hoping (and praying) for a big:LITTLE with the A57s but that didnt happen. Oh well, I guess we all have to wait for the 6797 to see what they come up with. But yea, they really need to put allocate more space on the SoC die for the GPU. If they really want to produce a high end SoC.
And for the records, I think that 10 cores is a serious overkill for any smartphone. instead of going for 8x A53s and 2x A72s, why not 6x A53s and 4x A72s. That will make for a much more powerful SoC and it will also be power efficient too.
Yes Max. MT6795 would’ve made a lot more sense with the T760 MP6 honestly. And that would have given the SD810 a run for its money.
Absolutely, even a mp4 like Rob said.
Rob came out with another interesting point we shouldn’t underestimate.
The perception that phone manufacturers have about mediatek.
If we consider last year flagships there’s only Meizu MX4 that worth mentioning, while we had probably over 50 different phones with SD801.
I was highly considering buying the Meizu, buy then I heard about weird picture scaling because the screen wasn’t 16:9.
Now, put your feet in somebody else shoes that is not aware what kind of hardware is getting, last year he didn’t have much choice with MT flagships, but hundreds with snapdragon.
Was the MX4 as good as those phones? Absolutely yes, but what if I’m looking for a smaller phone or anything else? It’s a pity, because they can compete easily on high end and this could have been the year but I still see a lot of flagships with a crippled SD810. Mediatek should only blame itself.
id like to see a power vr x6450. That’ll give S810 a run for it’s money too.
No I don’t think it is. Might as well stick with the MT6752 as it is using the same cores just clocked slightly slower. The 6795 is hardly much better and that is borne out by benchmarks. Bought a Teclast p98 tablet for a friend and it uses the 6752 clocked at 2ghz, that is effectively the 6795m, hardly flagship! Stick the t760 mp4 on the 6752 and it will out perform the 6795.
Well, I give it to you Rob. Yes you are right on this one. ^795 would’ve been better if they went the big:LITTLE route.
The newly announced HTC One E9+ has an MT processor:
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_e9+-7111.php
Yes but no release date or price, but it will be very expensive.
The funny thing that most people have failed to figure out is that the GPUs in Mediatek’s SoCs starting from MT6595 have been more than enough to handle just about anything you through at it.
According to Andi’s review, there was no difference in gaming between the Meizu MX4 and any SD801/805 smartphone. The dual core Mali T760 in the MT6752/32 even beats the almighty Adrenos in the SD615 and 410.
So, why do we all keep yarping about GPU prowess in MediaTek SoCs? They know whats good for your phones and thats what they are giving you and not some overkill GPU that you will hardly push up to 1/4 of its full performance.
Just tell me….WHAT THE HELL IS THE POINT?
You should now better since you have been acting the same way while talking of CPUs. Extreme CPUs are not needed as much as extreme GPUs.I don’t think you use your phone to cross-compile from source to explain the need of that power and many cores.I can make your same example saying that old SD400 can run smoothly any app out there.
Speaking of GPUs though, you can play ok heavy games but with a lower fps, avid gamers might want to emulate console games as well, and that’s how you explain the need of more performant GPUs. Speaking of CPUs instead I really find hard to picture a scenario where you need something more than a MT6752 or SD800.
Samsung will likely sell the SoC, it’s actually an opportunity to gain more clients then just Meizu for their SoC and keep them as clients going forward. The SoC and the phone part are 2 different divisions and Samsung shouldn’t have a problem selling it, just like they sell (or buy) other parts.
The problem is that it takes time to make a phone so only someone that changed plans long ago or that is very fast can go Exynos this year.
Cost could also be a problem now,hard to guess what kind of yields they have on 14nm and if they can afford to sell it at sane prices just yet. 14nm capacity could also be very limited for now and they might just not have extra capacity soon.
Another problem is that the 7420 has no integrated modem and increases complexity and likely costs.
When and if others will have faster SoCs is a bit hard to guess. The rumored Mediatek dual core (2+4+4) could arrive late this year but more likely early next year.
SD620 and 618 should arrive this year and SD820 could show up sooner than expected since Qualcomm is hurting and is eager to recover.
Nvidia or Marvell could come up with a surprise but i doubt it.
Even if Samsung reluctant to sell E7420, they always could sell E5433.
Mediatek can’t go through 2015 with MT6795, if they are aiming more than mid range. It’s hardly an upgrade over MT6595.
MT6797 have to be ready in this year. Preferably at Q3.
wht abt the heating issues in SD 810 … should they not prefer 808 ?
I have seen varying reports on the Snapdragon 810, one “independent report” says its overheats, the next says it doesn’t. Consumer reviews have been a mixed bag as well. At this point I am not sure what to believe until I use one for myself.
As for the camera it will have the new IMX 240 which is the camera in the S6 and Note 4. 5.2 inch is probably the max that Xiaomi wants to do. Anything bigger it would be competing with the Note Pro. Every numbered Mi device since the Mi1 has launched at 1999, this one will be no different.
Well, it doesn’t really overheat. All it does is clocking down or offlining cores to prevent overheating. Of course that’s just as bad as it makes the chip slow. This is why the Mediatek MT6795 always outperforms the Snappy in benchmarks. Mediatek took the right decision going for A53 cores there. They stay cool and – let’s face that – provide plenty of processing power, more than you actually need.
Very well said brother 🙂
Most processors provide more power than the average user really needs. It always cracks me up to see someone using a flagship phone that they paid hundreds of dollars for and they only use Social Media and play Candy Crush type games.
everyone is entitled to flagship if they can afford it…even i would want mt6795 although i may play the high end games very very rarely…we have 1 life only…if top end model is affordable why not splurge?..given a choice you would also own a merc..but may not always go at 150 kmph..just an example.
I am not saying people can’t buy what they want just think its funny that most people don’t realize how powerful their phone really is.
I drive a Volvo and would not trade it for a Merc if you paid me.
Volvo..did not expect that…what are you doing on gizchina?
regarding ur initial point,i get it after ur comment above.
Volvo is owned by Geely which is a Chinese car company. But my choice of car has very little to do with why I am here. I am here because I Iove Chinese phones. My car doesn’t define who I am, I drive a Volvo because I love Swedish designed cars. Every car I have had has been a Saab or Volvo dating back to my first car.
I know that..i made it as a jest comment…I was tired of putting smileys ” :)” to justify that it was a joke..Anyway noted.
In fact, I want Xiaomi to do 4.7 inch and 5.5 inch like iPhone did. I probably get the 4.7 one if it has OIS.
I just can’t see them making a 5.5 inch phone, its too close in size and reportedly spec to the Note Pro. 5 inch is the ideal size. They won’t go below 5.
SD 808,..
IMX 240 + OIS
5.2 inch AMOLED 1080p display
Fingerprint scanner is the PERFECT combination
They should release 2 variants. One with SD810 and a cheaper version with MT6795.
no, the crappy support from mediatek sucks, better a snapdragon
You buy a 2.0ghz système on chip…
It is able to run 1 minute at 2ghz…then it works at 1.3ghz…
2 minutes later it is most of the time at 900mhz.
arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/04/23/in-depth-with-the-snapdragon-810s-heat-problems/
Imagine a Formula one pilot…yes he can reach 400km/h during the first lap…but only 200km/h on the others…results : race lost
Have you bought a 900mhz system?
Don’t you think that Qualcomm lie about the performances?
Do you prefer liars?
S810 is a shame…How can they sell it?…900mhz instead of 2.0ghz!
Even on s410, you prefer a A53 rev0 that underperforms by 15% (at the same frequency) against A53 rev2 on mt6732?
You prefer multithreaded performances of s615 with 8 A53 cores are only 20% higher than mt6732 with 4A53
All 64bits socs are failure untill now.
If you prefer snapdragon, stay on s801/805 (despite not that good javascript/html5 performances compare to 32bits’s mediatek or exynos) or wait
It’s all about GPU and support for to me, Mediatek sucks in this field. I’m very happy with Mi3 with sd800, really don’t trust on 808 hexa core or 810 octa
Stay with your s800, you’re right…
GPU is not that bad on current mediatek…
S801 is far better thant mt6595 in gpu’s benchmarks.
But in real game framerate measurement, xiaomi mi4 and meizu mx4 are very close
I think even their mid-range chip mt6752 is able to run every game in full hd (both s410 and s615 are beaten by mt6732 and mt6752 even on GPU)
garbage… purely marketing
let’s wait for the elephone 2k
I’ll pass on the Mi5… it was confirmed that the 810 thermal throttles no matter which phone it’s in. In some it throttles more than others, really depends on the phone.
With that specs price could be around 2500 yuan.
No SD card, overpriced, throttling SD 810, ugly black frame, apple copycat…
It’s going to be a feast for xiaomi haters.
another huge phone that I can’t hold normally and put in my pocket…..
snapdragon 810 overheats. Get the snapdragon 805, and plus it’ll keep prices down.