In another shock announcement the team behind bringing us a new JiaYu phone have stated that they want to be the first Chinese phone maker to offer Android M, but there is a caveat.
I’m happy to let you all know that your comments on the new JiaYu phone news didn’t go unread. The team working on the new phone have been in touch again stating that they have read your comments and it has had them thinking.
The point which jolted the team was the mention that some readers not wanting a Medaitek MT6753 octacore processor. The reason that it concerned them is the fact that it is the precise SoC the company were planning to use. Before you switch off completely though there are reason.
Apparently a number of processors had been considered. Options were the newer Helio X10, the MT6753 and the previous generation MT6595. The Helio X10 has been discounted as it would have pushed the price above their planned RRP for between $150 – $160 (international price) and would push the release time even closer to Christmas.
The MT6595 was in the running as it is still a potent chipset and pricing of the SoC has dropped considraly, however the 32bit nature of the SoC and lack of source availability has put them off.
The MT6753 is being considered as it will allow the new phone to have a low-price, what’s more the team behind the phone say that they will be able to release source code for this chip and can be one of the first to release Android M on their device.
So what do you think? Is having open source and an early Android M update worth running an MT6753? Let us know in the comments below.
I wouldn’t mind paying a price marginally above the price range of $150 – $160 if Jiayu would deliver the Helio X10 soc, including LTE B20. And furthermore a good supportteam delivering OTA updates periodically.
I think the problem is that the pins on the X10 aren’t compatible with the final PCB they have. So it wouldn’t be a slight increase and it would but their launch date way to close to Christmas. The MT6752 might be better, but I don’t know if Mediatek have offered the source so them…. A tricky situation
Can you tell us anything about the screen size Andi? Will it be 5.5″ again or smaller?
The 5.2″ seem to be the new “standard-size” (like the new Nexus 5). JiaYu have already a 5.5″, it would be foolish to maintain the same target-size! 🙂
If JiaYu don’t adopt the Helio X10 they will be beaten by Xiaomi! 😉
It’s 5.5-inch
🙁 If this will prove to be true… i am out. I really hoped for a compact phone from Jiayu from the first rumors of S4. But another 5.5” with MT6753…
I am waiting and waiting and waiting for a decent budget size 4.7-5.0″, and when i say compact i don’t mean a 5.0″ of 145mm height…. but in vain….
I think i will have to break the bank and go for Xiaomi Mi4c.
You said that our comments on the new JiaYu phone news didn’t go unread. Bull…
Jiayu, did you read the comments on the S4 renders stoty?!?!
I guess not…
Exactly my words. If Jiayu really bankrups, this is the reason why. Releasing the same product in the same price range as all other companies. This is total failure.
You can only be successful if you find holes in the market and fill them. You don’t have to search for the hole, it is absolutely clear: a well built powerful phone with compact size.
lol, it’s a jiayu s3 with marginal/questionable improvements and a shittier chip.
lol lol lol.
Yep, I can’t understand why Jiayu would stick with a 6752 or go with 6753; it’s essentially the S3 all over again! The only differentiation would appear to be Android M! Presumably, they could upgrade existing S3’s to support this; so there’s something horribly wrong with this plan.
Another S3 doublet?
With MT6753 it will be a clone, with X10 will be an upgrade. 🙂
MT6753 is a lot more shittier than MT6752, so it’s actually a downgrade. I want to see them do it just for the lulz.
Ok thx, I’m out then. The least they could do is change the screen size to attract another group of people and differentiate themselves from the hundreds of MT6753 devices out there. What they are doing now is just releasing a downgraded S3. Unless the materials they use and the features are mind blowing, I really don’t think anyone is waiting for this (as you can see in the comments here). Missed opportunity imho.
Well OK but don’t we have enough 5.5 inch phones with MT6752 already ? I mean I know it’s a Jiayu but still …
I already bought a Xiomi Note 2 because of the Helio X10, the price and the fact that I hope Xiaomi will provide updates and the source code.
mediatek dont want to offer even the source for android 5.1.1 for 6752 and most of the companies lol
This, why is this so hard? Even if they have to scrap the current design, that would be better than sending the phone to die.
Isn’t the MT6752 a much better chipset? And it comes second to the Helios x10, wasn’t that considered?
The MT6752 might be better, but I don’t know if Mediatek have offered the source to them
They wont cuz they dont want to push the sales of an old chip
I think MediaTek has a kernel/android source public site, but they are slow to iron out bugs and is the reason many phones failed to get Lollipop quickly.
I think this is hosted by someone working at Mediatek but not totally sure.
https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/mediatek/
The only thing I hate about Mediatek is their partition layouts and debugging/fastboot access.
Those are sources for Android One devices, which uses old SoCs (MT6582) and hardly can be ported for another ones with the same soc, developers took a long time and blood to make something usable from those sources, other than Android 1 devices.
I think Mediatek has slowed down the production of MT6752 or perhaps discontinnued it, to make a more affordable (for them) and thats the way that they are living since always, they close development in old socs, support only the newers to grow up selling of it. Actually most companies do this, but MTK worst fact is that they don’t release sources.
My guess is the Helio X10 is 140% higher price than the MTK6752, and probably 180% for the Helio X20. Consider royalties for what GFX core is deployed and ARM’s fees.
Couldn’t they just use the MT6752 again as it is the better of the 2 chips. Personally I think they should use the X10 and increase the price slightly as it would be a direct competitor to the Xiaomi Note 2. Their choice of cpu would mean it’s a backwards step (performance wise) to their own S3, which incidentally can be had for almost their ‘target price’ now.
I’m with you Rob. Xiaomi have released the Redmi Note 2 with the X10 Helio at a price point that sets a benchmark which makes it difficult for us buyers to look elsewhere. To me Android M would be an incentive to look at a MT6752 (or MT6753); but Android M on the X10 would be the icing on the cake and a more compelling purchase option.
Of course we are all assuming that android m isn’t the buggy mess that lollipop is, it could be worse in which case it wouldn’t be an advantage! If jiayu are reading this then the x10 is the only way to go otherwise this is no different from the millions of other Chinese devices our there.
i agree with you about the Helio X10.
they dont have to go crazy lowering the price, it doesnt matter how hard you try you will never be able to reach Xiaomi price for a long list of reasons.
Add some features instead: metal frame, gorilla glass, fingerprint sensor, HiFi audio,release the code for Rom development.
it’s not only about price, it’s about satisfy customers demands.
I totally agree, this should be about the overall package ie user experience. Unfortunately I think this will just dissappear into the sea of mediocre mid range handsets out there. They should stick to what they know, building great solid phones and not concentrate on price as building any product down to a price always fails. Let elephone, ulefone etc fight for that part of the market.
could not agree more,price at 200-220$,still ok with MT6795,what matters is overall package like RAM,speed and of course great camera quality!
6752 has been discontinued and MTK won`t release source for it, meaning it will never get anything above maybe Android 5.0 as far as updates go, like the good old 6592 that never made it past Kitkat and never will.
I would personally pay even $250 if the phone was good. I really liked the S4’s specs, it would have been an ideal phone for me: https://www.gizchina.com/2015/03/27/purported-4-7-inch-jiayu-s4-details-revealed-include-64bit-chip-usb-c-and-more/
Having reviewed another phone with the 6753 (the Meizu M2 Note), I can say that I am definitely soured on ever bothering with another MT6753 phone. I was super excited about the Doogee F5, till I realized that’s the chip that was in it. Noooo thanks.
What about Helio P10? I think we can see first Helio P10 phones before end of the year.
… and what i was saying a couple of days back about Helio x10 and the price tag of $150 for Jiayu…? everyone…x10 x10 x10… batman….batman
But still a man can only hope…but until when
MT6753, forget about it
i rather have Xiaomi RedMi Note 2, with updates.
Have they ever tried putting their perspective as someone who’s buying a Chinese phone today? Among the tsunami of phones with subpar chips, they’re going to try to fight that wave by being another insignificant drop of water?
Bah, whatever, I just don’t care anymore. I probably will buy a Bluboo Xtouch instead, or a Redmi Note 2 depending on the availability of Prime version in my country. I’ll keep using my G4S regardless, that’ll make me remember that this company existed from time to time at least.
Let me think about it once again. Umm, still no. I was expecting at least 6752, if not 6795. I don’t mind cashing out a few extra bucks for more powerful SoC, otherwise new Jiayu will be just another phone. So 6753, 2/3GB ram, 5.5″, and don’t forget to put thick screen bezels 🙂 Perfect specs recipe nowadays.
Oh yeah, might as well aim for Christmas and go for Helio P10, and market the shit out of its features like the brightisp, the hifi audio performance, or the mali t860. Shine the brightest before dying, who knows if it’ll be their final fantasy instead.
I think many of us will be more than happy to see a compact S3, MT6752, 4.7-5″ FHD, 3000+ mAh with S3 design and features
How about upcoming S620 with open & transparent sources right before the Christmas & for price about 200$? It would kill Xiaomi Note 2, it would even kill new Nexus-es. It’s stupid to base a Android M phone on SoC that can’t really suport it’s new futures. & I know they never used a Qualcomm SoC but look at the general idea & possibility for long term suport.
JaYu S1 used a Snapdragon 600 SoC
SD620 isn’t really any better than MTK6753 with its weakass GPU. And lol if you think that all Snapdragon will have long term support. Hint: they don’t, especially the cheaper ones.
Think again about it it’s a totally different tire. I mentioned S620 not S615! We don’t know almost anything about new A510 except it support dynamic shading & hardware testilations (both will see suport in M). On the other hand all up to date MTK SoC’s don’t have those GPU futures (X20 will have with MALI T880 MP4). Besides S620 is market ready now. It would also resolve every possible LTE suport, their will be a public source code & maintenance for it at least for next 3 year’s.
So what? You want a pice of shit up to 50% slower X10 for 15$ less cost in final product? Think again SoC is not priciest part of a product.
You can guess from its past trend, it won’t be more powerful than what Helio is using, that’s for sure. Even if it supports advance GPU mechanic, 99% of the apps out there won’t make use of it until years.
So it’s market ready, but we don’t know anything about its gpu, but we know it’s 50% faster than X10 and cost $15 more?
lol.
Yes general purpose cores in S620 are A72s that are roughly 58% faster than A53 (in X10) & at 1.8GHz that make them up to 50% faster than A53 @ 2 GHz. Their is roughly also a 20% performance increase (by my estimate) in new QDSP compared to one in S810 so multimedia tasks should be pretty much advanced. Qualcomm hides it’s GPU blueprints like snake legs so don’t even expect to find out anything even remotely relevant. & I am pretty much certain thermal throttling will stay in normal limits as A72s are 25% more power efficient than A57s & yet clocked as S810s A57s in rev 2.0.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Cortex-A72-powered-Snapdragon-620-posts-impressive-benchmark-results_id70785
I am not a noob or fun boy I criticize everyone (when they deserve it).
So it’s all ‘estimation’ aka conjecture. And of course, it’s accompanied by the classic ad hominem. Nice job. 🙂
These “market ready” chip sure isn’t in any phone right now though, strange…
You don’t have to look stupider than you are!
QDSP V56 up to 800 MHz, QDSP 68 up to 1000 MHz. Same architecture & threading. So 20% is humble estimation, it could be more.
Ouu pore honey but new Google Nexus 5 from LG will be hire for Christmas. & guess what? It comes with S620 & Android M.
Yes, we call that conjecture around here.
Oh wow, Christmas, that’s like 4 months from now. Such market readiness.
JiaYu wants this phone to be ready by Christmas if you didn’t read the article.
& it looks like to me that you don’t really know how long development cycle takes so 4 months are actually reasonable timing (if the wind blows your way).
Congratulations you really did it no matter how hard it whose to seem even stupider again.
Good plan if it’s a cheap phone but many want a flag-ship phone too.
I’m wanting to upgrade from the S3, so I want Helio X10/X20 with better cameras. Example bring out a Jiayu S4 quickly even if the phone uses the S3 design.
Great news that Jiayu is considering open sourcing their code!
I have S3, I would be glad buy another Jiayu if it keeps NFC and bring me Helio X10/X20 (s3 is the only one in that price range to have it), I would add some alloy borders to the phone, would be really nice, S3 design with metal borders and some improvements, like a better camera, would be awesome. Another Mt6753 wouldn’t be good for who already have a S3 with better MT6752. I would just buy it if was a compact phone, 4.5~4.7, because this way would be different from others.
JIAYU YOUR PAST CUSTOMERS ARE READY FOR S4 BUT YOU’RE NOT. MANY WILL BUY OTHER BRAND NOW. YOU NEED TO QUICKLY GET OUT A S4 AT THE $200-$250 or even $299 PRICE. Prioritise the more expensive phone over the budget phone since people aren’t excited about old technology.
How about budget performer for $200 that we culd have sources for to play with? & I stated how below…
I’d rather they release it when they are ready and not rush because of clowns like you.
If clone/phone-copy hack companies can make phones in days, like iPhone or Samsung clones, surely Jiayu can make a S4 in a few weeks. They already have all the past tools and design to work off they just need to update to suit components like new screen, cameras and SoC.
I think if Jiayu investors want a future proof company, than the flagship way is the only way to make an impact since we are flooded with cheap and big phones. By the time they can release the phone everybody who wanted to have a 6752/6753 phone will have one.
Personally I prefer the S2 design as a super compact 5 incher, updated with the best possible SoC (2)3-4 Gb of ram and a good (preferably great) camera. International LTE bands are a must in my eyes just as stable and great calling (and GPS) qualitiy. At least it is a phone, is not it? If one can manage having the necessary LTE bands than do not forget to include a strong battery and NFC. Hotknot is simply not an option outside of China. Considering the price of a 32Gb microsd card i think 32 and/or 64 Gb (forget 16Gb) option at a reasonable price(!) would be better than an microsdcard slot. (Reasonable means the difference is not more than the price of a card and not the double/triple of it. I am not a phone maker, but aren’t they are the same chips?) …and for God’s sake do not be lazy and optimize the software, pleeease! 🙂 All in all if I were you Jiayu, I would go for a $250-300 phone with a compact (pocket friendly) body and (at least near) flagship attributes. One last thing. I know making screen protectors are a big business, but …
I prefer them to release the sources than to “optimize” the software.
All they need is to release a basic AOSP rom and let the community do the rest. Hardware makers are notably bad in creating software, better let them out of it (just create a phone + sources).
You are right. That would be a better option. …if the phone is a hit and community got hooked upon it.
To compile a basic AOSP rom is a very simple procedure even a 10 year old kid can do it.
All the problems start when the sources are non-existent or incomplete (and thus one has to “complete” them using sources from other device-trees). Which is why *complete* sources are needed at all times. And if they do that, they won’t have to care about the device anymore, so it’s a win-win for them too…
You got it. Altough it still get in the news if a company do this. I wonder if they heard about community and read the forums or only their intranet?
Their S1 and S2, that didn’t have microSD support, helped them went almost bankrupt. Repeating that mistake is a good idea. /s
Agreed. This is why I wrote bigger memory for a reasonable price unlike Xiaomi did it with its 64 gigabyters. … and it is about my dream phone, not necessary yours 😉
I say any decent Chinese manufacturer should do this to take the market by storm without forgetting anything ANYTHING:
A. 4000+mAh battery
B. Forget the crap and hire cyanogen we will put desired launcher after no matter what.
C. 18+mpx camera or more (budget dept.)
D. 5 and 5.5 2k screens variants (FHD as minimum and 2k maximum)
E. 4gb of some fast RAM
F. 32 GB or more onboard storage
G. Never forget the memory card reader
H. A real 8mpx front camera with a led flash
I. Full spectrum network bands support So not forgetting this or that band.
J. Front squarish or back rounded fingerprint reader for bragging rights. Front square to match the screen shape or rounded in the back to match the round usual circle of the camera.
K. Couldn’t care less about NFC or HOTKNOT as long as there is one, for bragging rights once again.
L. Off screen gestures is a must, I’ve learned to love that stupid silliness a lot much more than what I spected. (Own a Ecoo 3gb e04)
M. A decent SoC or even an overclocked mtk6752 and up (except the 6753 for obvious reasons) would do as long as it is cheap enough not to be a Qualcomm …
After that mix I will fallow functionality over form, meaning, as long as it is not stupidly ugly I will throw my money over.
Cheers, let me know if that’s just me…
H – Nice if the front camera also had autofocus
K – I do care about NFC
M – The problem is using older SoCs is their GFX core also is old.
I don’t care much about finger scanners but I haven’t had a phone with one, so I’ll remained reserved about that. I’m not that fussed with the design as long as it’s not ugly and weak structure.
Basically all/most of those blow up the cost to levels way beyond the $150-$160 that Jiayu targets.
It would be better to find low cost alternatives to those.
For example using FHD keeps the need for resources to a minimum and it looks even better than QHD if a good panel is used.
4GB is great, but 3GB is enough for FHD (but less than that is a no-no)
Great cameras are expensive, better to use lower cost ones but use a great processing algorithm. The old Galaxy S4 still produces better pictures than many/most Chinese phones despite the old sensor, merely because of Samsung’s post-processing.
I can go on but the above are precisely the things one would not expect from a low cost phone. You can find them in $300+ phones though.
They better choose only what’s important, not include any fluff. Still, I won’t buy it as I don’t buy phablets, but it will allow them to retain their low-cost yet balanced specs that in my mind they still have (to this day Jiayu S3 is a more balanced phone/phablet than most low cost ones).
Ok I get your point on the screen and the RAM, but as I have it understood engineers and coders for the camera’s software algorithms charge a lot per phone, excuse me if I’m mistaken here.
Anyways I would like as I said any maker that dares to come thru with this I will throw my money right there. And if Andy or anyone would have an approximate of how much for something like this would really appreciate it. Maybe 320???
Yeah but better throw the money there (post processing) than to an expensive sensor. Greatly processed pictures always look better than those using the best hardware available… Most Chinese makers try to promote their super-wow sensors and optics of their cameras but then you look at the pictures and say meeeh, even low end phones often have better pictures.
I like what Gionee did 2 years ago, they used a less known sensor on their E7 model yet used some of the best post processing. As a result you can buy a $160 phone today (Gionee E7) with better pictures than most phones even from expensive ones released today…
Because Gionee used good sensors had larger pixels than average. Also they spend money for good lenses at least for main cam. If camera can’t catch enough light you can’t fix it via software.
If I recall correctly E7’s was using only a F/2.2 lens, and omnivision of Front Facing cams’ fame was the manufacturer of the sensor, hardly of what one could call high end hardware. I mean phones with similar setups produce very bad photos but E7’s was one of the best.
I’m not saying that they didn’t choose -carefully- the hardware too, merely that it was of the inexpensive variety and a big part of their quality came from their post processing algorithms.
It’s quite telling that much of that quality was lost with their Kit Kat update initially (I’m not sure what happens as of now, maybe they had it fixed) showing once more how important optimization is, often more than buying the best of the best quality in imaging tech (still not buying bad either, just middle of the pack).
True it has F/2.2 aperture, but with 1.34 um pixels size which is better than f/2.0 with 1.12 um pixels size. Also its front camera sensor has 1.4 um pixel size.
I’m not saying software isn’t important, but there is a limit what can you do with software if hardware is weak.
Some of these Chinese brands constantly advertising their phones with top of the shelf Sony sensors, but most of them lack of OIS and larger apertures than f/2.0 and we have no idea their lense qualities.
you nailed it.
it’s all about optics, not post processing.
any professional photographer would agree with it.
The better the pic is, the easier is to photoshop it.
A. 3000 is enough for a day, as long as it’s removable, people who need more will be well served.
B. Might be a good idea. Just hire third party for your OS rather than developing your own. Probably end up cheaper too.
C. Don’t really care as long as it has good low light performance.
D. FHD all the way, 2K will only drain more battery for questionable improvement (panel quality matters much much more)
E. Offer 3GB and 4GB option, and yes, it has to be fast, STOP using LPDDR2.
F. Agree, enough with 16GB, it’s almost 2016.
G. Agree. Very important, I cross any phone without one off the list just like that.
H. Agree.
I. Doesn’t really matter to me.
J. Doesn’t really matter, prefer not actually.
K. Doesn’t really matter. But yeah, IJK are good for marketing.
L. Doesn’t matter.
M. Have to be at least X10, P10 is also a good idea if they can get it out faster than other competitors since that’ll give them instant exposures.
Another from me: DON’T USE SHARP CORNERS. It may look ‘different’ than other phone, but anyone who has bit of brain knows that it’s an utter ergonomic failure as a phone design.
Mediatek SoCs doesn’t support fast RAMs, even upcoming X20. When I say fast, I mean LPDDR4. Except SD810 and Exynos 7420 no chips supports it yet. Not even SD808.
MT6752 and MT6753 doesn’t support 2K displays. Helio X10 does, but its GPU barely powerful enough for it. Also it would suck juice of that 4000+ mAh battery.
Displays are biggest power hogs in smartphones. Cheap phones usually gets a-Si type and it has worst power consumption, so most of the time people can’t get expected battery life from their budget phone with 3000+ mAh battery, even if had lower resolution display. Best power efficiency came with LTPS, but it’s most expensive one. In the middle lies IGZO.
Batteries also has different volumetric energy densities. If you are intended to make a 5 incher with such a large battery to keeping it within a reasonable size (not too wide or too tall, max 9mm thick and rounded edges at sides for a good grip) you will need OLED display (because it’s thinner than LCD, so you will have more room for battery) and denser batteries. Both are more expensive.
Edit: nvm.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9308/mediatek-helio-p10
You do know we are NOT looking for a $500++ phone, right? This is not a purist search and that’s why we came to a Chinese phone reviewing page looking for affordable or reasonably priced phones not overpriced because of brand “X”.
I guess you didn’t understand what I meant.
Some of your wishes contradicts with others.
About updates,I think this is a important thing for every smart phone.I hope the company could be better in it.Just this
jiayu is crap,they promised release lolipop for S3 at june,still there is no proper LL for S3. Last world release for s3 was at march. i have bought 2 jiayu phone first was g4s now s3,from this point i will never buy a jiayu again…
To be fair Jiayu creates great hardware but like most small Chinese companies don’t care much about software. I don’t think there’s any company releasing budget phones that supports them for long, that’s part of the low-cost deal you bought into (maybe great hardware but certainly little to no support).
Which is why I advocate (as much as one can advocate through Internet forums) for small Chinese companies to release detailed sources at all times. That way the fact that they can’t support their devices wouldn’t matter as the community can step in at any time and provide that support, leading us to have both great software and hardware at low cost.
The way things currently are you have to choose … sadly.
Jiayu doesn’t create any hardware. They just pay some manufacturer to put a Jiayu logo on their phone
They are the ones who make the assembly. They are an OEM of smartphones but not of their individual components. I think that’s how it always was…
A 5.5 will have to compete with the Xiaomi Redmi Note 2. I wouldn’t mind the mtk6753 if; it has 3gb RAM, fast auto focus camera with OIS, 13 mp is okay, fhd quality screen, fingerprint scanner, small bezels, and over 3200 battery with quick charger. And yes, being quick to have Android M is very important.
X10! Otherwise they will repead themself after s3
The market need 3 devices. just name it “THE COMMUNITY EDITION PHONES” with open source code, then the community get care of software support.
Model A: fast, big screen, 5,5″ FHD. 160~200$
Model B: normal, 4,7″ 120~160$
Model C: minimalistic 3,5″ 70~110$
1- Metal frame, shock proof gorilla glass, user replaceable extra tempered glass, round corners because sharp corners break the phones easy, no more bendgate phones! or fall and damage phone!
2- 3GB for A and B, 2GB for C. (DEAL BREAKER)
3- All LTE bands, 1,2,3,4,5,7,8,17,20 like samsung and iphones, the missing bands is a break deal for international customers and travelers. (DEAL BREAKER)
4- 3000+ battery for A and B, 2000+ for C user replaceable (DEAL BREAKER)
5- 32GB for A and B, micro sd slot. (DEAL BREAKER)
6- Back 13 mp camera fast autofocus excellent low light performance led flash
7- Front 5 mp camera excellent low light performance led flash
8- Front squarish big fingerprint reader for A and B
9- Hi fi audio for A and B
10- NFC for A and B
11- great GPS and WiFI reception. (DEAL BREAKER)
12- IR for remote control
13- air gestures
14- Helio X10, or X20 better, or P10 good S620 good for A and B. MT6752 or MT6753 for C.
Point 3) you forget at band 8 and 17
Thanks, changed !
Instead of the mtk’s they could also go for snapdragon 801 or 805 like ZUK did. Very good soc for gps, all band lte support and battery life
Thats Good !
If Jiayu is reading this article, let’s say:
Jiayu have potential to launch a game changer for them current situation!
If they do a good phone, let’s say, Helio X10, Good camera, if not a
expensive Sony Module, why not a High end of Omnivision? (We all saw the
capabilities of OP2) a Metal Frame and Metal Internals, NFC (maybe some don’t care, but the S3 seems to be the only one that have NFC with the current SoC, not sure about THL 2015), And keeping the removable battery that could be a 3050 or 3200mAh, Sdcard (Redmi 2 seems to be the only Helio X10 to have Sdcard support -_-“), and add B20 for LTE, as did with S3, I don’t need B20 but I see a lot of people claiming for it in every Chinese phone, and is impressive how they do lack it, so please make those people happy. Let’s put a price tag of $220 ~ $250.
Because we know they just can’t practice the price that Xiaomi did with Redmi Note 2, However they could do well even with a “not so low” price tag, they just have to make the consumers happy and a good phone, the S3 is a really good device for the price, very well made and smart (for example the 3D antennas for Wi-Fi, 4G/GPS/BT are damn good!) And if they do a good job, most of people will trust in buy from them, Jiayu isn’t is considered like a “common” Chinese brand, we can proof that just seeing how many comments every article about them earn, or how the people praises the inexistent S4.
At least for me, a standard phone, with 5.5-inch and MT6753 regular setup, would be just a meh… But If they heard consumers claim (maybe the bigger problem of those small chinese manufactures, they don’t heard consumers, but I know Jiayu do hear)
They could do well even with that settings… Just, Fit it in a 4.7-inch device, with open sources, and tease Cm12.1 for it, and I know that is possible thanks to the developers working behind to help them. Everything for the low price that they want to sell it.
Jiayu S4, and S4/S3 mini, would do very very well 😛
I am as always concerned with size and hope JiaYu will release a 6″ plus version for people like me who can see that size and handle it better. It is not too big. Price should remain in their price range and not be higher so it is affordable by the masses. Other manufacturers can produce higher priced phones.
I’m a very happy customer of Jiayu. I have a G4T and I have to say that I’m waiting for Jiayu to release a new phone (hopefully 5 or 5.2 inches max).
An upgraded Jiayu S2 would be nice. Otherwise, if they really want to stay on 5.5 inches I would focus on a better camera with laser focus and image stabilization (maybe the same sensor as the Meizu MX4).
mt6753 phones aren’t going to draw much interest, even with a marshmallow stuffed inside.
They would be significantly better off increasing price by $10 and using a better SoC.
I’m not so sure that JiaYu will be around for much longer…
http://www.ijsmblog.com/2015/07/chinese-phone-manufacturer-jiayu-denies.html?m=1
Old news, they’ve been bought by their partners, and are just planning a come back.
…with another generic phone lol, so what you say may come true regardless.
Yes I know it’s old news but nothing seems settled yet about the company restructure and that’s why I wonder why someone would be interested in speculating about JiaYu planning to be first out with Android M. I mean, why not solve the emergent problems first like saving the company before making big plans for the future? They haven’t even got a 5.x firmware for their S3 yet.
(Actually I don’t know of any MT6752 device with a working 5.x firmware from any brand except maybe the Lenovo Lemo K3 Note, but that’s another discussion 🙂 )
CPU on the 6753 is fine, it`s the GPU that bites as it`s not meant for FHD gaming at all, and you may have to change your phone within 6-7 months of buying it because you suddenly feed the urge to try a few more demanding games.
For me the 6753 is low-mid chip that can`t possible be considered for phones over 150$.
They cannot make an android M phone with mt6752 because AFAIK, 6752 is meant for just 4.4 and 5.1. The 6753 is for 5.1 and Marshmallow.
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The helio x10 will be for android 5.1 and M. The x20 will be for android M and android N.
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Mediatek keeps just 2 android updates for its devices. That’s their way of making money.
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So because of this, Jiayu are unable to make an android Marshmallow device with a mt6752 chip because of mediatek @$$holes
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So what jiayu should do…
1.> Make a helio x10(2.2Ghz)(won’t get android N next year)
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2.> 3gb ram(with lpddr3)(4gb ram is not worth now)
32GB ROM with sd card for support for 64 and 128GB micro sd cards(exfat instead of fat32)
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3.> 5.5 inch Full HD only.(2k and 4k is worthless on 5.5 inch unless its a 12 inch tablet.)(yeah that’s still the perfect size for now between phone and tablet)
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4.> A 3700 to 4500mah removable battery with a good battery cover to lock on to the phone so that it doesn’t come off when the phone falls down, and the battery should be thoroughly optimized that it shouldn’t have sudden battery drops like 20% to 0% or when charging, it shouldn’t go from 80% to 100% in less than a minute.
Thickness? We aren’t bothered even if the phone is 10 to 13mm thick as long as we are able to get a days usage with 4g and gps on all the time. bundle the phone with 2 batteries.
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5.> Fast charging with support for 4 Amp chargers. 0 to 100 in 1 hour 30 minutes. For a 4000+mah battery.
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6.> Accessories like a charging dock for charging the phone as well as battery. A special flip cover made just for this phone. Add USB type C support as that will improve charging speed as well as data transfer speed. Add NFC and hotknot(no idea what’s this, but as some are saying, its good) and a fingerprint reader for some of these guys here.
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7.> Cat 4, 150 down, 50 up FDD LTE 800,1800, 2600,including TDD LTE 2300MHz(For regular markets in Europe and Asia)(Make a separate variant for US market for T-Mobile, AT&T, Verizon, Sprint etc).
8.> A good 13 or 16MP cam with ois, and widescreen 16:9 on 16MP and not blurred autofocus. Should give great night shots too. Add a front cam of 5 or 8MP wide angle with front flash. Yeah there are selfie lovers too.
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9.> cm 12.1/13 isn’t required. Just pure stock android Marshmallow will do.
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10.> A new phone design would be great. Please don’t use on screen nav keys as its a waste of real estate on the screen. Use a new notification bar on the phone… Probably on the bottom like the oppo find 7, but you could customize it like keep it on the top of the phone above the earpiece, so that you don’t totally copy the find 7. Also make it glow in slow motion to make the phone even more cooler.
The sim should be micro sim and not nano sim, dual sim. You could add triple sim too. It is possible.
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Now, this phone with all these features should be sold for a price of $230 to $250.
People care more about features and specifications for the price they’re paying.
You should also make a smaller device for the people who require small screens like 4.7 inch screen.
1.> An underclocked Mt6795M would be great. Something at 2.0GHz would be the sweet spot for the lower phones.
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2.>Same 3GB RAM and 32GB ROM with exfat support.
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3.> 4.7 inches FHD is perfect. Or you could make that 720p. There won’t be much difference, but the smaller phone will perform much faster due to the lower resolution.
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4.> A 3200mAh battery crammed inside a small phone. Yeah we want long battery life… Bundle the phone with an extra battery too. Like i said earlier, people don’t give a damn how thick the phone is as long as they get great battery life on 4g all day long.
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5.> Fast charging. Should charge a 3200mAh battery in less than an hour at 4A
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6.> Same accessories as above.
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7.> Same LTE bands and speed as above
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8.> You could keep the camera at 13MP rear and 5MP front with LED flash on the front too… Single LED would do. Front for both phones should have an autofocus.
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9.> Same, Stock android Marshmallow.
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10.> Same design for the smaller phone too. And remember. NO on screen nav keys please. Micro sim, SD card should be hot swappable.
This phone should retail for $200.
Do this, sell the american version in america, you’ll get great support.
Sell the rest of the phones in Europe/Asia, sell in India too, phone will sell like hot cakes….
Why? Because it’s a FCUKIN flagship!
Yes but open Lte for international users 🙂 opens bigger market in Europe. I need 900/1800/2100 all of those. And the Lte frequency is my only problem with my s3.
What you said,Are basically present in the Xperia Z5
I have this Jiayu s3, and I’m quite satisfied with it.
Will probably grab a phone in say 2 years.
The snapdragon 810 on the Xperia Z5 is lame. Sd810 has some thermal throttling which sucks. Snapdragon 820 which is from Samsung, and has a 14nm FinFET process same as the Radeon GPUs and Zen processors, and that is gonna be amazing. But they have some lame ass big.LITTLE config. and I hate it. True Octa core is what I need. I started reading WCCFTech about a week back because of the crazy comments there and AMD Nvidia bashing is more fun xD
The Z5 with 820 would have been amazing
Why not another flagship (pro version) by the end of year:
SD820 or helio x20(unlikey)
2K bezel-less
5000-6000mAh battery
4GB/128GB
Dual Camera 20-23MP camera(like gionee e8 &…).ims275 or OV lens
Dual Screen [E-ink] – (6inch and 4.85inch)
Fingerprint(on side like volume/power button) /Eye/……. security
even Dual OS
Speakers like sharp aquos crystal or pantech a910(but both side)
LED notification like Sky vega a870
Why not digital TV antenna/DVB-T or/and having stylus too
&…..
with
such Specs and price below 600-650usd,I think it can help the to take
on worlds leaders and if such powerful device,the profit margin for company will be higher,not to mention People who take out money for this kind of flagship,wouldn’t
hesitate to pay more(I mean even if comes to 700USD,its worthy of each
penny I believe)…but this kind of phone with other heavily features,it
will be more than monster(whose ask for best battery..those ask for
best camera,best newest technology,best… all will risk buying such
phone(although may not have after-sales service outside of china that
much) as it beats it all
At least that what I like to be my next flagship..to beat all brands too…stay on top of them not just compared to top players