Wickedleak have announced their newest smartphone, the Wammy Titan 5 for 14,990 or roughly $231 for the Indian market.
Essentially, the phone is an Elephone P8000 (read our review here) but in different packaging.
If you aren’t aware of the specifications already, here is what you’ll get with the Wickedleak Titan 5: a 5.5-inch 1920 x 1080p display, an octa-core 1.3GHz processor (MediaTek MT6753M), 3GB RAM, 16GB on-board ROM, 13 mega-pixel rear camera, 5 mega-pixel front facing camera and a 4165mAh battery.
Folks based in India can now buy essentially the same phone in three different names (and brands): the Elephone P8000, the iberry Auxus Prime P8000 and now, as the Wickedlea Wammy Titan 5.
Rear of the Wickedleak Wammy Titan 5
There’s a few goodies that Wickedleak are offering customers of the Wammy Titan 5, including a ‘screen breakage insurance’ (of unspecified tenure) and some discounts with services such as Uber, etc.
Should you be interested in getting yourself a Titan 5, you can head over to the Wickedleak store which is the only official store selling their phones.
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lol … still u guys at india have wayy more variety :p
you should be thankful JUST for the diversity alone !
oh and not to forget the v.v.reasonable prices !
Only the guys in India thou, not me.
And you forgot to mention those nonexistent bezels.
Cynical right? This phone has one of the biggest bezels ever. Ugly as duck when turned on.
Sarcasm
Relaxed.
All day long
ur not from India ?!
don’t get me started on Elephone’s “bezels are beautiful too” policy :p !
Nope I live in Italy.
Need more bezels 😛
lol … ur lucky :p !
And what about you ?
Muhammad is from Pakistan.
I agree with you I prefer a little bit of bezel to the crap they put out.
Pakistan … surprised you dint know that already !
Wasn’t sure, wait…. U have Interwebz there!?!? :p
interwebz ?! as in the Internet … ?
Yes ; )
heyyy… we aren’t in the stone ages here :p
stop believing in mainstream media and explore facts for yourself , bro 🙂
its not as bad as its portrayed
I know just messing with you ?
😀
I’ve always thought the P8000 is a nice looking phone, even though a little feminine or on the posh lean. Might go well in India since there’s a like of gold and its colour of luxury
Wai…. Now that I think about it why not just call it Titan 5? I mean:
” Hey I’ve got a new phone, it’s from Wickedleak their new Wammy Titan 5!”
“the F. is that bro? You gay?”
Instead buy samsung on 7 if price is under 8k. Or instead buy coolpad note 3 lte at 7k with 3gb ram 13mp camera and finger print sensor.
Here it seems to be over priced..
This mobile is so bad and hangs everytime. How it comes to be an octa core. Camera is so so bad. Heating issue very very poor battery backup. Fraud online service selling for looting.
All fake specifications you are providing. I will REPLY YOU WHEREVER U HAVE POSTED MIND IT…
This mobile is totally pathetic. You are misguiding others to buy and wanna pursuade me. Nevr do i wil buy anything from wickedleak.
I became tired of calling wickedleak really. Friends never think of buying wicked leak phones. Totally waste of money and lost of time in contacting them as they are having zero service centre in India. How it comes Indian brand?
Online wickedleak customer care are Fraudsters. Deaf attitude is their after sale service. I am not happy with the deal. I forgot about REFUND. I know YOUR POLICY :- NO REFUND, NO REPLACEMENT, NO HELP AFTER SALE.
Pleasee pls pls pls take back your pathetic handset and at least Refund my Half Amount only. Its only 3 days since I received your Pathetic Stone like fake featured iron type heating WAMMY TITAN 5.
ORDER NO 057452584.
Ordered on 10th January 2016
Any body having doubt then call me on 8885596856 for its product info
Hope you get your money back, bro.
No. They will never refund. Their policy is rediculous. If u complain After 1 second of purchase stil dnt hope for Refund or Replacement
I’d be interested to see if the ROM is any better than Elephones… Got a friend with the P8000 and the Elephone software is absolute sh1t!
There’s no such things as XX’s software. There’s Google’s software and the implementation of it to their phone.
Elephone P8000’s rom (espec. the non-OTA one) is basically an AOSP rom, there’s not much wrong with it apart from being bland (fixable via root), a tiny issue with “idle consumption” (a few hours are lost that way, but the battery life is still better than most) and few issues here and there (for example mine had trouble to install the localized version of one very specific app, don’t know why – I fixed it via appSettings of course).
IMO It’s far better than heavily skinned software like Xiaomi which while they add functionality (most of which everybody can get via Xposed) it greatly impacts Ram consumption and therefore performance… Ι would be very interested to listen to the grievances of your friend.
BTW P8000 is probably the only budget phone with released sources so anybody is welcomed to solve any of the encountered bugs (people on XDA already overclocked the phone to 1.5Ghz for example).
I have heard from multiple people now how the software on this phone is horrible. You are the only one that says it is good…
And it doesn’t even compare to a ROM from someone like Xiaomi for one main reason: support. Xiaomi updates MIUI every week, Elephone drops support after a few months, if they even support it at all. I know plenty of people still waiting for a single patch for their Elephones.
I’m not saying it is good. I’m just saying that it is better than what passes as good these days. The only software I actually accept as good on android is android as it runs on Nexus devices, anything further than that it’s a mess riddled with security concerns, bad use of the hardware, etc. Elephone is closer to AOSP than many of the Chinese brands.
The 2nd part of your post I didn’t even read it to its end. Xiaomi does not even merge the latest patches from mainline Linux, even AOSP patches are neglected. That’s the opposite of good. You end up with a bloated insecure OS. Even their sources are spotty and incomplete.
I’ve tried Elephone’s sources and I was able to merge the latest from AOSP with very few issues (I had to compile in aarch 64 so I had to learn some new things). I’m mostly certain that I can’t do it in Xiaomi without using kitkat blobs (and at times not being able to do it at all).
BTW I’m not an Elephone fan, but there’s so much wrong coming from Chinese brands and when *one* company tried to follow GPL nobody notices and I feel the need to point it out again and again, so that (finally) less people would pay companies that don’t follow GPL…
And everyone else is saying it is worse than what passes as good. But because it is close to AOSP (and your obsessed with AOSP) it is the greatest thing ever and you will not be convinced otherwise.
I’m not obsessed with AOSP, I just explained *why* AOSP (or AOSP + google services). To be obsessed with something means to give it unfair credence, I’m not.
For example in June there was a new patch merged to AOSP builds that made even old phones to be much more responsive as it solved a long-standing bug since early 2010. 5 years of Touchwiz, or MIUI never did anything similar not even close. The reason is simple, AOSP (as well as mainline Linux) work much closer to the *actual* devices and have intrinsic understanding of the software, most of 3rd parties just “add features” which often serve to downgrade the experience as it makes the software base more abstract.
3rd parties should be thankful that GNU-Linux and Google gives them such pristine base to work on, without them their software would be as sh*t as it was in the dumbphone era…
You keep saying that what many/most people say implies truth. If that was the case then iPhones are the best phones ever, Avatar the best motion picture and Justin Bieber a musical God…
I just asked this guy (as I did w many others) why he thinks “Elephone’s software” is sh*t and predictably I got no answer (BTW it’s not Elephone’s it’s Google’s). Most install the OTA version which is *known* to carry a malware.
People who aren’t obsessed don’t write essays about it…
I don’t write essays, I explain an unpopular idea. Unpopular ideas (that also happen to be true) need more than a mere statement. If I was merely to state things you wouldn’t believe me, now that I’ve explained them you can either concede or find better arguments than mine…
In this instance, Elephone with P8000 are doing the right thing and every time they’re being bashed (unfairly IMO, merely because people don’t like Elephone) I have to defend them.
Also I’m not defending them blindly, I have often criticized the fact that they put Malware on their roms and I have often said that people should avoid the OTA release…
People don’t bash them because they “don’t like Elephone”, they bash them because Elephone releases bad products, has poor customer service, has a poorly optimized UI (according to everyone but you), lies about specs, drops support for phones months after being released and has had phones with questionable build quality. When Elephone starts releasing good products they will get respect here. There is nothing unfair about it, it’s the rights of a consumer. Too many consumers have been burned by Elephone.
Which is basically my point. People bash P8000 because they don’t like Elephone. I agree in everything you said about Elephone yet still can’t see how those prove P8000 (in particular) a bad product. It’s near AOSP, it has 3gigs of memory and probably the best build quality in budget phones. But most importantly it follows GPL (one of the veeery few Chinese phones to do so, certainly the only budget one).
Now people are perfectly able to ignore all that just because the rom sometimes misbehaves and/or because the OTA rom has a malware installed. The obvious solution is to install the non-OTA (official) rom, but nooo… let’s ignore all the crucial matters (in my fist paragraph) just because we don’t want to dig deeper.
And then let’s just buy a Xiaomi with less RAM, bloated software and bad sources… That’s *exactly* the kind of narrow-mindedness that I’m trying to stop which is why I demand people to *explain* their opinions and hopefully stop financing brands that don’t follow the GPL…
I haven’t used the P8000 myself so I can’t say one way or another. I go buy what others have said. And people I know that have used say it’s the same old Elephone, crappy software with no support.
Not everyone wants to support AOSP, that’s what you don’t seem to realize. Just because your in love with AOSP doesn’t mean everyone here has to be. Some of us prefer what companies like Xiaomi and Meizu do to Android. We like that they are making it their own which is why we buy their products. The narrow mindedness starts with you and your insistence that AOSP is the only way.
I will continue to buy a Xiaomi with less RAM, great software and excellent support. That is the part you don’t seem to understand, Xiaomi supports their products for a long time and has endless resources devoted to helping people in need. Elephone does not.
Well given that Google has some of the best coders in the world I think you should disbelieve your friends that say that a phone running AOSP has terrible software. They are either biased or intentionally changing the telling of their experience.
Xiaomi on the other hand actually doesn’t have an OS of their own. They run a modified version of android. It generally has worse memory management (ram management is the No1 issue of android, even in AOSP), slow in upgrading to newer android versions, rarely apply patches of AOSP development and release incomplete sources. At least that’s my experience with them, I’m baffled by their popularity. I guess for a Chinese maker they’re alright, but the standards are low already aren’t they?
I don’t mean to bash Xiaomi, but merely to show the fact that like most Chinese makers they don’t follow GPL and that’s problematic on the long run. Any company that follows GPL ends up with better products *in practice* simply because the software keeps getting upgraded (unlike your claim, P8000 is a GPL member so you can always compile the latest android, very much unlike what you can do with Xiaomi).
Xiaomi seems to only upgrade and/or fix their added features. If you love them fine by me. As for me I get those features via root, but unlike you I also get the latest security updates and patches as well as small things like under volting and generally control of the hardware.
People who say it has terrible software aren’t saying that about Google, they are saying that about the changes make to stock and call “Elephone UI”.
Again to you UI’s that don’t follow GPL aren’t your cup of tea, there is nothing wrong with that it is your opinion. Some of us here don’t really care about them following GPL, that’s the part you don’t understand. No amount of your long winded responses will change that. We see things differently. I would take MIUI over stock Android any day of the week.
Which is why I was not referring to the OTA rom all along (the one with the Elephone UI).
Their Rom is actually great (the one released in their forums) and it is near AOSP (which is Google’s software), people keep installing the OTA rom which has the Elephone launcher and a nasty malware that kills the battery and then they cry foul (in every one of my post I’m calling *against* using that Rom, it’s possibly dangerous).
BTW it’s not merely how “we see things”. MIUI is *not* an OS, it’s a poorly maintained skin over AOSP that “adds functionality” (functionality that one can get through root). If that’s your cup of tea be my guest, but that doesn’t change the fact that bad, unmaintained code remains bad unmaintained code.
In a few days I’m going to get a Xiaomi Mi4. I’ll run a couple of tests between that and my P8000. I’ll make sure to upload my results, so that you can *see* how slow MIUI actually is (apart from other things) when compared to AOSP + 3GB…
People use the ROM that ships with the phone which is Elephone UI. That is what everyone is saying is terrible. Those are the people that are crying foul, because the phone they get out of the box is filled with a very poor UI. People who buy a Xiaomi don’t have that issue. I can find a hundred ROM’s that are faster than MIUI, starting with CM and Slim but that’s still not going to make me use them. For what I do on a daily basis MIUI and Flyme are more than fast enough. You can upload 100 videos it’s not going to change my mind. And I wouldn’t get a Mi4 if I was you, you won’t want to go back to your pos Elephone after using such an amazing phone.
I had a Mi4 and sold it. Now this one is for a friend. It always amazed me how so much hardware goes to waste. Less functionality than AOSP (no proper xposed, no timely updates), way too slow for the hardware, average battery life despite the big battery. I can go on.
At least it’s cheap these days (~$200) which is why I recommended it (he wanted a “small” phone). But -yeah- it’s slow, antiquated, with less functionality than AOSP and probably less secure to boot.
As for Elephone you’re right, which is why I still regard them as a sneaky company. But at least they offer their *real* official Rom on their forums (no malware, no “Elephone launcher”). In all my posts I’d admit that though (“it’s the only budget phone coming with AOSP -if you install the official through the forums- *and* has 3 Gigs of Ram”, that’s all I said.)
I am always amazed how people fall in love with crap products like Elephone and manage to convince themselves it isn’t crap. Guess we both have plenty to keep us amazed.
You just said that you have not used P8000 (on one hand), I’m basically writing a diatribe why a GPL compatible product would *always* be better than products based on proprietary software (on the other hand).
Heck I’ve even offered to upload a video showing how faster an AOSP based phone (P8000) is from a MIUI phone (Mi4). I can even upload a second video showing how many more things it can do via xposed, root, control of the phone’s resources.
I think I made a point that it is *not* crap, especially the price-range.
You seem to want to be convinced by anything other than reason (my explanations) or evidence (the videos I wish to upload), though. If nothing matters to you apart from what your friends say then go forth and buy a Xiaomi, I’ll respectfully won’t.
I hope you do understand -though- the imperative that I feel to defend products that follow GPL and release (proper) sources. It’s nothing to do with being a fan of them, but rather being a fan of GPL, the lifeblood of Android itself…
Blah, blah, blah, blah that’s all I read when you write these long winded essays about crap products. I haven’t used it but people I trust that have say it is. I trust them more than you.
Authority is a rather bad way to choose products, beliefs , ways of lives…
BTW I never asked you to trust me, I asked you to understand the explanations I gave you or at least be open to accept the videos, I’m willing to upload in a couple of day, as evidence.
If you can’t do either, then I cannot convince you, you’re immune to reason.
I’m immune to “mine is the only way” reasoning that you love so much.
Well, it’s not mine. Mine was like yours, I used to listen to authority.
Then I got into a university, then to graduate school, etc. I found there that the rule of logic and evidence rules supreme. If you follow those two you can change the world (see “theory and experimentation”), which is why I’m begging you to see the reason of the things I say despite the fact that you don’t like me (I.e. I’m not an authority to you but the things I say are well grounded to a reality you can check).
I went to grad school too and I probably took many of the same type of philosophy courses you did. I also change the world everyday in work. Having said that my choice phone has nothing to do with “authority” or whatever crap your spewing, it has to do with my personal preference. I am a human who is able to make my own decisions and decide what I like. I have no problem with you, I don’t even know you. I have a problem with you not realizing that just because you like something and just because you think its the correct way, it doesn’t mean everyone thinks that way. The world is full of people with their own ideas and believes, without that there would be no innovation.
Yeah, there is a multiplicity of ideas, but not all ideas are equally merited.
In our case I don’t see how companies that don’t follow the GPL (via developing the closest possible to AOSP, releasing sources, merging patches) actually help into the goal of creating an ever-better pocketable computer (which *is* a big deal, not the individual phones per se, but the revolution they bring to our lives).
So yeah, I’d always support companies that follow the GPL, even if they’re derided by people that used other products from them. Do I feel that they’re perfect? Not even close, but they *actually* help into the ongoing project that we call mobile computing.
For example Elephone appears to do a thing that I believe is the long-term future of mobile devices. Different parties making the hardware (OEMs) and different ones make the software (Google, AOSP developers, even proprietary developers).
As it currently stands most companies do both, jacks of all trades, masters of none. Without specialization of force the so-called smartphones would remain as dumb as they’re now.
Xiaomi makes their products better by focusing solely on developing MIUI, Meizu does the same with Flyme. They don’t care about the advancement of GPL, they care about the advancement of their own UI. It’s their goal to create the best ever pocketable computer using their UI. Their fans like that they follow this goal, you do not. I prefer MIUI. Is it heavy? Yes. Does it require lots of RAM? Yes. But it is also stable, and is constantly updated. I know when I buy a Xiomi they will continue to update and patch it for years. You don’t have that guarantee with community driven ROM’s.
Yes I agree. But my vision is different than that. My vision is of course community-driven roms should exist, but alongside there should be (professional) software-firms which would support all phones following the GPL (i.e. those releasing sources).
So you can have what you already have with MIUI and/or Flyme but you can also have choice.
Think of it like this. Say Elephone releases a phones, with only sources (nothing else). Once a user tries to use it for the first time it asks him what “experience” he wants. If he chooses none, then he’d get AOSP, but if he chooses “Xiaomi” or “Flyme”, or “Cyanogen OS” or “Stock Google”, or “Omni” or, or … he’s going to get various different takes on the “android experience”.
This can *only* be if Devs develop kernel agnostic Roms. Then the phone would automatically use the kernel sources, combine them with the Kernel-agnostic Rom and voila! An “optimized” rom of your taste in your phone (hardware optimization happens in the level of the kernel)
It happens similarly in PCs. You get a PC, then you can choose to install Windows, GNU-Linux distribution, BSD based ones, even Mac OS (hachintosh). Of course they come pre-installed with Windows most often than not (in phone’s case AOSP), but the freedom is there, and of course none of it kills the warranty (or any such silliness).
Choice is power, not the opposite. But most importantly it would allow hardware makes to *only* make kickass hardware, and software makers make kickass software instead of the median road that we currently follow.
What phones currently do is the Apple’s way. And I find it odd that other’s are following it since it only ever worked for apple well. I think it’s no accident that only Samsung (mostly a copycat of Apple) and Apple have operating profits from mobile phones. It’s very expensive and *very* inefficient for a firm to develop both hardware and software. It almost never works, with the notable exceptions of course (Apple).
I don’t see it as a median road for all, for me (and millions others) Xiaomi makes both killer hardware and killer software. For your its different. There are several companies that should go the way you describe but Xiaomi is not one of them.
The individual software model has worked for several companies, Samsung has not been one of them. They make very little money off software sales which is why they are hard at work trying to develop Tizen as their own unique OS. Samsung makes most of their profits off of hardware sales. Xiaomi on the other hand sells most of their devices at close to cost because they make up those sales through the MIUI Store, Mi Cloud and Advertising (much like Google). MIUI has been one of the most successful UI’s in the mobile spectrum which is why Xiaomi continues to develop it. Meizu makes a profit off Flyme as well mostly through back channel deals with Baidu, but also from the Flyme Store. To say “it almost never works” means you didn’t do your homework on any of these companies and are passing off your opinions as facts. For many of these companies they make money off their own UI’s through advertising deals which is why some phones come shipped with bloatware apps that can’t be removed without rooting. They may not have the success that Xiaomi or Apple have but they do make money off of it.
I think you are the one who’s not informed in this instance:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/parmyolson/2014/12/15/xiaomi-profit-margins-samsung-china/
In fact it’s only Samsung and Apple that have any profit:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/apples-share-of-smartphone-industrys-profits-soars-to-92-1436727458
This type of business clearly works for Apple but not for everybody else. If you want to do both hardware and software in the house you have to sell the product in Apple’s or Samsung’s price levels. Else it’s simply not profitable in the long run.
If you want both quality software and hardware in low prices *and* have profits, you have to do it the Elephone way. Create hardware and *nothing else*, let the community or 3rd parties create the software. That’s how things are done on the PCs and they were profitable for decades. Only Apple got away by doing everything in house (macs) but look how absolutely expensive they are/were merely so that they could be profitable.
My point is that the current situation *has to* change. Phone makers releasing the sources and creating a market for (professional) roms I think is the two things that should happen. Else all we’d have is ultra expensive iPhones or terrible Samsungs, nobody wants that. GPL *should* be followed, everybody wins that way.
If you actually read that article you would see the flaw with their reporting. They are quoting numbers for Xiaomi Inc, which is one company under a much larger Umbrella of Xiaomi companies.
Well Xiaomi Inc is the part that creates the phones, so I don’t think of it as flaw of the reporting but rather as its strong point, given our discussion.
I’m not saying that Xiaomi (as a company) is not profitable, merely it’s phone department. Yeah, they make some of the money back through their store, but even that model does not work in the long run (see what happened to Amazon’s mobile department).
…and -btw- even it’ll work for Xiaomi it would *all* be because of their store. It *certainly* won’t work for companies that don’t have a store, or at least not a popular one.
BTW my argument is not that *no* company can get away with creating both software and hardware in-house. What I’m saying is that “most won’t in the long run”, which is why I’m advocating for a change in the mentality of people.
For example everybody’s critical about Elephone for not supporting their products and they side-step the fact that it is almost impossible to both create a hardware, develop for it *and* be profitable. I tell them “*no*, it’s smart what they did *as long as* they also release sources”.
Take a look at XDA there’s already a custom kernel that overclocks the phone, adds “double-tap to wake”, there are even custom roms (AOSP and Flyme). When sources are released the community *does* take over.
Imagine if the community was not alone in supporting phones. Imagine if professional software firms also did that. Imagine the kind of excellent software we would have instead of expecting from every phone maker to develop for their phone (which as I said it is economically unrealistic for most)…
It’s impossible for companies to support products for longer than a few months? Now your starting to look and sound like an Elephone apologist and fan boy.
Do you even read what I’m saying?
I clearly wrote that developing both software and hardware in-house is impossible to bring profit. Here’s my quote ” it is almost impossible to both create a hardware, develop for it *and* be profitable”
Even in the case of Xiaomi (if it is to bring profit) it will bring profit through their services not through their devices.
Also I made quite obvious that I’m an apologist of Elephone’s mentality (release hardware + sources) but not of Elephone themselves (they don’t always release sources, their hardware often sucks).
Whatever you say Elephone Fanboy, this is going from hilarious (your views on the industry, which are often completely false) to just sad (how one man can love a crappy company so much, but try to make it look like he doesn’t love said company). So this will be my last response. Thanks for the laughs!
Well, I predicted that response. You first create a strawman that you attack (I never really said the things that you accused me saying), when I point out that you’re misrepresenting me by partial quotes, you end the discussion.
Now who’s the fanboy, I can’t tell. There are only two companies actually profiting from the phone market and it is undisputed. Now if you want to say that the business plan of the other companies is a good one and should forever stay in place I welcome you (to think that).
The number talk against you though (still maaaaybe Xiaomi will make it, the rest I don’t think so. It’s clear that supporting your devices is a bad business plan, it didn’t work on PCs, it won’t work on phones).
“It’s clear that supporting your devices is a bad business plan”. A business plan which has worked to attract millions of customers to brands like Xiaomi, Meizu, Lenovo, Huaweii and Oppo/Vivo, coincidentally those are among the biggest and most successful Chinese smartphone markers. Meanwhile the ones who offer no support like Doogee and Elephone have to throw everything at wall in an attempt to attract a fan base. Supporting your devices develops loyal customers which creates the single most powerful form of advertising: word of mouth.
“Maaaaybe Xiaomi will make it”. The numbers speak against you they are one of the 5 biggest smartphone vendors in the world, they have already made it. I don’t mean to an insult you but if you were running any of these companies the way you describe they would be driven into bankruptcy in less than a year.
A company’s reason of existence is to bring profit to their shareholders, not “have a marketshare”.
A bad business plan *can* bring marketshare but not profits. There were many “successful” companies that were unsustainable and eventually filled for foreclosure.
Supporting your devices is a bad business plan because it is unsustainably costly. The only way it can be made to work is if you sell well enough in ultra-high prices (see Samsung or Apple), everybody else takes the shtick.
None of those “successful” companies have much of a profit (if at all).
Charts like these can be found everywhere on the net: http://www.computerworld.com/article/2859707/the-rise-of-chinas-smartphone-makers.html
Again I’m not saying Elephone is profitable. I’m saying Elephone is the role model that other companies should follow. Create a phone, *never support it* apart from releasing sources in every major Android release. That means that you have a very minimal software team (only creating kernels), you cut out (*completely*) rom development and phone makers are actually caring for creating -well- phones.
Currently they’re all stuck in the dumbphone era when a phone-maker would create both the software and the hardware. And -of course- as those two become more complex, what I’m talking about would become increasingly clear.
I repeat: Supporting your devices is a *bad* business model . Small companies -accidentally- are becoming role models and I think it’s the most precious thing coming from China (a radical change of thinking about how phones should be).
Without market share there is no room for profit growth. You really need to take some business classes your just embarrassing yourself now.
Actually the most profitable company (by far) is not the one with the market share. In fact it’s palpably untrue. German cars sell less than Japanese ones but their profits are skyhigh. The two may be correlated but one certainly doesn’t follow the other.
Anyway my point is that supporting your devices is invariably not profitable. Even when it is, it’s because of some 3rd factor (selling of services or ultra high pricing). I told it before, I’m going to tell it again. It didn’t work on PCs (who remembers Amiga) , it won’t work again. It’s the kind of business that will always fail…
Profits and market share are directly linked. The bigger your market share, the more units you move, the higher your profits will be. Lets use your car example and compare three companies: Toyota, VW and BMW.
2014 Revenue:
BMW – $80 billion
Toyota – $252 billion
VW – $222 billion
2014 Market Share:
BMW – 2%
Toyota – 11%
VW – 10%
We could do this for every single auto manufacturer, the higher their market share the more profits they have. We can do this in just about every industry too. It’s not different with phones, the two companies with the largest market share are Apple and Samsung, they are also the two that have the highest revenues worldwide.
Well in the case of phones it’s not directly proportional.
Also I talk about profits, not revenue. For example Apple with a lesser marketshare than Samsung’s have multiple times the profits and the rest of phone makers are hardly in the map at all.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/apples-share-of-smartphone-industrys-profits-soars-to-92-1436727458
It’s not even funny how well it worked for Apple (hardware+software in-house) yet how disastrous it was for the rest. For example Sony’s mobile department is seriously considering shutting down in the near future, things are *that* bad.
I think it’s very well grounded when I say that the current state of things is not sustainable for *most* phone manufacturers. They don’t even have to create a new paradigm, they can merely mimic the PC industry (the other big high-tech industry).
In fact what I’m recommending is hardly controversial, it’s merely something that mobile users are not accustomed (with it) yet…
Apple’s market share is 100%, they are the only ones who sell iOS powered phones. They have an entirely different consumer base than Samsung or Xiaomi has. Just because they are both smartphones doesn’t mean they are actually competing in the same product segment. A consumer who is shopping for an iPhone usually won’t even consider a Samsung phone.
Sony sales suffering has very little to do with them making their own software or offering updates. One of the fastest growing smartphone brands today is LG who also do everything in house. The other fastest growing brands are Xiaomi, Hauwei and Lenovo three other companies that also do everything in house (Huawei even builds it’s own SoC;s). Sony’s struggles are largely due to poor management.
Sorry , but I’m not following you anymore.
I just told you that this business model only works for Apple, you confirmed me (only apple can have insane profits by developing both software and hardware in-house), how’s that not proving that it’s a bad strategy?
Did you see the article I posted, it’s not just Sony, it’s Lenovo that’s struggling also, Xiaomi’s phone profits are anemic at best. In fact IIRC it’s only Oppo and Vivo that actually have some relatively important profits (again nowhere near Samsung’s or Apple’s profits), and they both price their phones insanely.
I have to point you out to the PC market ad nauseum. What happens in phones pretty much parallels what’s happening there. Only Apple can get away with developing for their computerd. Everybody else is/are only developing drivers.
Xiaomi, Huawei and co don’t have to reinvent the wheel. They should merely stop supporting their phones, that’s all it takes really. Take a leaf from Doogee or Elephone who do it rightly (even though I read some worrisome rumours that Elephone will release android 6 updates, I hope it won’t be true. They could use those coders to release the kernel sources for android 6)…
Your not following because you have no clue what your talking about. Take some business classes and then we can have this discussion. Until then stick to the software side of things, business is not your strong point.
No I’m not following because I talk to you about profits and you bring up revenues. I think it’s you that has to take some business classes.
I’ve given you so many links showing to you that model of supporting your hardware in the way that phone makers do is a failed model that was tried many times (in other kinds of hardware too) and it was always failing. You keep ignoring those, I mean effing Lenovo has still to make *any* profit from phones, Xiaomi’s profits are very slim, most Western brands are failing.
What more do you want? This is Apple’s rules and only Apple win with those, stop supporting failed business models, you harm the great hardware and software that we could otherwise have.
BTW I’ve installed to my P8000 the newest (AOSP based) community Rom and kernel and I’ve pretty much solved all the little bugs that the Elephone Rom had. I’ve also gained higher clocks (1.5Ghz, Double Tap to wake, 2 hours of extra battery – now I have 10 hours SoT!- and there’s no lag in recording).
Let me see do those in your Xiaomi phones, some of which have bugs even 2 years after their release merely because Xiaomi didn’t bother to release proper kernel sources (talking about failed models)…
Arguing business with you is a lost cause because you have no clue what your talking about and you think you do. So moving on from that.
Just for fun I took a look at some Android forums and typed in Elephone P8000. What I saw was hundreds of complaints of poor build quality and phones failing after a few months. My Xiaomi phones last for years without any major issues, your Elephones do not. This is not the first Elephone for people to make these complaints either, it is happened with every model they released.
You get this kind of complaints for all kinds of phones. Now do the same with Xiaomi mi4, you’ll get way more complaints. Do you know why? It’s because more people own it and the people that tend to be more vocal are the ones with the problems.
Having said that I never claimed that Elephone’s quality is the best (P8000 actually does have a great build quality though), I mostly praised their refusal to create a custom rom, their refusal to “support” and their willingness to release sources. Most of which are very rare on the Chinese market.
Well obviously we can’t discuss business though since the bulk of your argument is “you don’t know about business”. I guess those phones companies getting out of business would be imaginary too.
BTW we’d move on the PC way of doing business on phones too. PC had a weird decade as well, we’re only getting slower there because people like you are vocal about keeping the status quo. So we’re going to have terrible phones for a bit longer … oh well.
The complaints are far worse for brands like Elephone than other brands for two reasons. 1. Xiaomi sells 1000x more phones than Elephone which means their rate of device failure is much lower. 2. The problems on Xiaomi are usually either software related and patched or fixed under warranty. Elephone does neither of these and your left with a broken device.
I guess all those phone companies that are making billions would be imaginary too. But according to you none of them are making a profit because they provide updates and their own software.
PC is a completely different platform. All consumer PC’s ran one operating system which couldn’t be tweaked in any way (except for bloatware). The only who thinks we have terrible phones is people like you who buy terrible phones and try to convince others they are good. We are on the cusp of having some of the greatest phones ever made, this is the golden era for smartphones.
The reason that your phone is terrible is because I happen to know it’s inner workings and thus your high tolerance for bad products. The problem is -of course- mostly the software.
There’s an average 30% slowdown on phone software in a 6 month horizon, with accompanied lower battery. My graduate paper was on developing automated testing environments to monitor the failure rates on phone function. There’s an almost linear increase of errors (where error is the non-expected behavior of software, say a function returns a 0 instead of 1) as the system becomes more aged. Most of those errors do not surface on user level to be immediately noticeable but do affect the general experience. It’s quite notable how much more “aged” an android phone becomes as compared to an iPhone or a blackberry, especially those not running AOSP.
Actually I was accused as “AOSP lover” in one of my older posts , but the fact is that AOSP is merely the least terrible flavor of Android (but still pretty bad according to my results).
My research lasted for about a year monitoring phones in both simulated and actual environments. My results are quite robust and across the board and due to publication very soon. I think it does bare the situation on phones quite tellingly.
Now as for owning bad devices, I would expect that I have higher standards than most people, simply because I only use patchable devices, I can’t suffer the likes of Xiaomi that only solve non important issues with their continuous updates. If you’re happy with a mediocre experience, I’m OK with it, just *don’t* evangelize it, you have no idea how much better the experience could be.
The phone market is very similar to PCs actually. It’s the main computing platform for the majority of people, yes it’s an embedded system, but due to its popularity and especially due to the crosspolination of kernels and drivers it can be treated as if it was a regular PC.
The billions of revenue from Xiaomi is lost in the long term due to “supporting” myriads of devices. Supporting a device is more expensive than creating a new one, as you have to hire “surgical teams” that have to work both in unison and independently. It’s an unbelievably complex concept the more numerous the devices become and especially as phones become more and more capable.
The software that goes into your phone is far more expensive than the hardware in fact. If you only pay $200 for your phone (which is barely more than the BoM) the extra money *has to* come from somewhere. In Xiaomi’s case it may come from the store (I dunno), but the rest are doomed. It’s simple math really.
Lastly one thing I may add. PCs are and continue to be “multi-platform” , yes most run Windows, but all have the capacity to run BSD, GNU/Linux, even MacOS and android X86 (if someone really wants it). That makes a huge difference. Also even those running windows, they are running the equivalent of AOSP, not the silliness that’s going on the android market (skins and frameworks that are mostly an added stress to an already valnurable platform).
there’s a nice article on Forbes in which the analyst compares Xiaomi to Amazon.
Like Amazon they have invested all the profit into the company, and they only took the 1.8% for themselves.
And they are trying to spread their devices near to cost so they can make revenue through their services.
I’ll post the link of the article once i find it back.
Exactly what is often lost with Xiaomi’s “profits” it’s how much money they continue to sink back into the company. That is why they are a billion dollar company with million dollar profits, the only thing they report on is the 1.8%.
Pls whatsaap me your number bro. We have a team in whatsapp group around 170 members who are cheated by this wickedleak company in the name of Indian Brand.
We can provide you full Refund with Compensation.
Pls forward me your number or whatsapp me to your number to 8885596856.
Don’t use Whatsapp.
Only fools will buy this phone at this price.
Cons:
1.Over Priced as compared to competition.
2.Now a days all phones are coming with 3gb or 4gb Ram under Rs 10000. But they are selling it at over-priced.
3. Both Front and Rear Camera are very bad.
4. Battery back up is not average. 2 Hours for Internet then its gone. Need to charge for 30 Min to switch it on. No speed charging. Fake specifications.
5.Antitu Benchmarking Score and SAR value are very low.
6. Thirdclass ui. Dont hope for any updates.
7. Hangs every when and then and heavy like bricks.
8. Plastic Material.
9. Claiming We are only Indian Brand and Bharat Mobile etc and NOT having a single SERVICE CENTRE anywhere. Good opportunity for looting and Robbing at daylight.
10. Online Promotions and marketing gremics at every sites advertising as World Heavy Duty Phone and biggest battery and all to loot hard earned money.
Whenever I called them they simply tell me send emails. I asked is this the hell service you provide at doorstep and for lifetime. They again repeat to write in mails but all efforts are in vain. Never do they response to emails..
Stay a foot ahead from these type of Junk phones.
11. Online Service centre executives are worst. They do always false promise that they are arranging calls and never do they calls.
When I repeatedly called them then I think Manager picked up and started blaming me that I am wrong and do this and that useless thing and when I speak truth of whats going on regarding my issue then he starts abusing me and laughs at me and simply disconnects calls.
This is what 1 Year ONSITE Service and it will be remembered through entire life so called life time pick up and talking about door step service is amazing because at door step you will find Police not mechanics. They wil then arrest u and defame u to bar for writing comments.
All positive comments are from wickedleak’s paid members and their staff write good comments to support them. And are indirectly supporting an injustice which is a crime.
They will never refund you nor they will replace your phone nor even they will repair your pathetic phone no matter even if you complain just after 1 Second of purchased.
Their motto is to earn and earn money.
They loot hard earned money and they turn deaf and dump towards your querry.
All executives and engineers and also the marketing and brand promoters are all Frauds. They sleep for money and they want only money.
Never do a crime by thinking to buy wickedleak phones.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz7AC7vb7Bs
see for urself the video…
Also possible that this is not the elephone’s brand, but it and the elephone is the same vendor, they are the OEM.
Buy coolpad note 3 at 9000 from amazon. Game changer phone with finger print and 3GB Ram. Not like fake battery that you are promoting in favour of wammy titan 5. How much Rupees you got to wtite this.
Wammy Titan 5 is a Fake Featured Phone. Bakwas ki bakwas.
Cons: After months of use.
1. Third class Camera Quality not even 1MP Quality.
2. Always hangs using 1 app. Not even dual core. Money gone in waste.
3. Claiming high battery for marketing gremic.
Actually very very poor back up. Like 850 mah.
4. System uses all the Ram. Free Ram is 350mb only. Making it hang always.
5. Finger Print is not working after 11 days. Even home bottom responds slowly.
6.WICKEDLEAK does not have a single service centre in India, they import Chinese C Grande Android Phones and labell all 420 specifications for looting.
7. Parts are not available in any Major Cities even. How would I find parts.
8. Online Service of Wickedleak are No 1 cheaters and Frauds. Once you make payment then you have thrown all your money in dustbin.
9. Very very pathetic phones are Wickedleak Wammy Phones. Never buy and waste ur money.
10. Customer Care Policy is No Replacement, No Refund, No Warranty. Once sold means sold. Never pick calls or reply to emails after sale.
As i was a pure Bharatiya..i dont want to spend my money in foreign product…thats why after searching lots of phone i have selected this mobile as my choice. I was so much exited to get this phone for the featured it had at such a great price. But as I received the phone and I use it for just one day I experience hell a lot of problem. With in few minutes of starting the phone i realized that the OS is jearky, its not smooth. My 2 n half years old phone is smoother compared to this one. Started installing the apps using wifi. with in 15mins the fone started warming up on the back side where the camera is. In half an hr the whole top portion of the phone, both front and back side, started heating up. I requested the customer care to replace the product the next day after receiving it . I mailed them, i called them many times, i had a chat with them many a times in their live chat, but every time they say only one sentense “our customer support will contact u soon”.. if u insist they will say “they will contact u in half an hour”…u dont receive anythng from them. no support no response no service.. pretty disappointed. Friends make a wise choice before u buy anythng from this company. Dont commit the same mistake i did. I not only just a dissatisfied person, But extremely dissatisfied with the way they deal with there customer. There only aim is to get money and money. This is completely third grade China mobile with totally fake hardware with the issues I am experiencing with the new phone. Whatever the good review you find in all sites are only the family members and staff of this company. Just ask them to give some customers numblers just to cross check the quality of mobile who where satisfied by buying there product in your city, the customer care person replies that sir it’s against there companies policy to pass the details of any of there customer’s as they will disturb by receiving calls. I request every one to save innocent people from buying this mobile and save there hard earned money. Following are the Reasons of my dissatisfaction. 1. No Headphones inside the box 2. The phone starts heating in three minutes from the time call is started and goes extremely hot by the times its six to seven minutes of call 3. Battery is also dying about 10% in every one hour. 4. Camera giving bad picture quality both front and Back.. 5. Phones goes on hanging regularly 6. Double Tap Gesture work sometimes and does not work most of the times 7. The phone is heavyweight around more than 200+ grams which makes it uncomfortable to carry and use. and Still Many more problems there. This phone is not even worth of 1/3rd for which they charged. Please do buy products from the reputed site only like Snapdeal, Flipkart only….
The guy who made above comment is paid by Micromax and Xolo. Its actually quite disguting that Mr anand is spreading such lies
I love titan 5 and you will love it too.
I think you work for xolo or micromax
had to wait for sometime as they did
not have stock for the Wammy Titan 5 and shipment got delayed. However
on receiving I found that the smartphone is good one and the price is
also very much affordable.
It is having more features compare to its similar products of other company.
I also got free flipcase as this is my second purchase from them after Wammy Note 4.
Thanks Wickedleak.
Richa Gujural.
Got the delivery yesterday. Little Late due to High demand. Phone performs quite well and i have ordered one more.
After sales is responsive and helpful in my opinion. I am from Delhi so will be using 4G 🙂 from airtel
Snehal Parker
outstanding and overwhelming performance….. I am overjoyed to purchase it looking its high end features. No other company can beat this. 3Gb Ram, Dual 4G, Octa Core, Fingerprint, Full hd, waterproof, 13MP Camera, Fhd Recording, Lifetime Pick up and door step service. I am sure this particular brand will Rock On
hi ,
i am also a customer i have not find anything wrong with this
company. i dont understand why you are reviewing them wrong . i think
that you are paid by someone thats why they are defaming them .this
comment shows that Wickedleak is truly a competitor for other brands
.Amazing phone with 3GB Ram, 4G connectivity and with a high processor
which never let you down. Touch is super smooth, you don’t have to put
more effort on this. This phone outshines with the long battery backup
& with the styling looks..happy with this brand .stop cheating people ….
Wickedleak phone is not the best as compared to competition. Now a days coolpad note 3 rocks.
Canvas expres 4G and express 2 and other phone like gionee f103 rocks with 3gb ram under 9k. Titan 5 hangs and camera is 2mp quality. Becomes hot. Coolpad note 3 has 3gb ram and 13mp camera 5.5hd display octa core with finger print lock under 9k. Buy yureka plus. Zenfone 2 with 3 gb ram under 10k.
Never step into wickedleak.
Wammy Titan 5 is a Fake Featured Phone. Bakwas ki bakwas.
Cons: After months of use.
1. Third class Camera Quality not even 1MP Quality.
2. Always hangs using 1 app. Not even dual core. Money gone in waste.
3. Claiming high battery for marketing gremic.
Actually very very poor back up. Like 850 mah.
4. System uses all the Ram. Free Ram is 350mb only. Making it hang always.
5. Finger Print is not working after 11 days. Even home bottom responds slowly.
6.WICKEDLEAK does not have a single service centre in India, they import Chinese C Grande Android Phones and labell all 420 specifications for looting.
7. Parts are not available in any Major Cities even. How would I find parts.
8. Online Service of Wickedleak are No 1 cheaters and Frauds. Once you make payment then you have thrown all your money in dustbin.
9. Very very pathetic phones are Wickedleak Wammy Phones. Never buy and waste ur money.
10. Customer Care Policy is No Replacement, No Refund, No Warranty. Once sold means sold. Never pick calls or reply to emails after sale.
hi,
Rather than defaming Just call customer care and have it resolved thats of course you are trying to defame this company and being paid by someone. Probably you are some fake profile but then decided to test Wickedleak and this is what i found. I also called their customer care many times to check and clear my doubt I love titan 5 and you will love it too. Customer care was very polite and Helpful in my view….
All Elephone and Wickedleak Wammy Phones are totally Fake and pathetic phones. Always hangs and not even dual core. Thirdclass Camera. Heats up like Iron. Heavy like bricks. Very very poor battery service. Claiming High Battery is for marketing Gremics. Always hangs. Camera not even 2MP Quality. Display issue occured. Not having a single service centre in entire India. They import Chinese C Grade Phones and label all 420 specifications to seduce customers. Selling at high price.
Online Wickedleak or Elephone’s Service is no 1 Frauds and Cheaters. Never pay any pie and if you pay then all your money is gone. Very very pathetic phones.
Only fools will buy this WICKEDLEAK OR ELEPHONE OR AXUS phone at this price.
Cons:
1.Over Priced as compared to competition.
2.Now a days all phones are coming with 3gb or 4gb Ram under Rs 10000. But they are selling it at over-priced.
3. Both Front and Rear Camera are very bad.
4. Battery back up is not average. 2 Hours for Internet then its gone. Need to charge for 30 Min to switch it on. No speed charging. Fake specifications.
5.Antitu Benchmarking Score and SAR value are very low.
6. Thirdclass ui. Dont hope for any updates.
7. Hangs every when and then and heavy like bricks.
8. Plastic Material.
9. Claiming We are only Indian Brand and Bharat Mobile etc and NOT having a single SERVICE CENTRE anywhere. Good opportunity for looting and Robbing at daylight.
10. Online Promotions and marketing gremics at every sites advertising as World Heavy Duty Phone and biggest battery and all to loot hard earned money.
Whenever I called them they simply tell me send emails. I asked is this the hell service you provide at doorstep and for lifetime. They again repeat to write in mails but all efforts are in vain. Never do they response to emails..
Stay a foot ahead from these type of Junk phones.
11. Online Service centre executives are worst. They do always false promise that they are arranging calls and never do they calls.
When I repeatedly called them then I think Manager picked up and started blaming me that I am wrong and do this and that useless thing and when I speak truth of whats going on regarding my issue then he starts abusing me and laughs at me and simply disconnects calls.
This is what 1 Year ONSITE Service and it will be remembered through entire life so called life time pick up and talking about door step service is amazing because at door step you will find Police not mechanics. They wil then arrest u and defame u to bar for writing comments.
All positive comments are from wickedleak’s paid members and their staff write good comments to support them. And are indirectly supporting an injustice which is a crime.
They will never refund you nor they will replace your phone nor even they will repair your pathetic phone no matter even if you complain just after 1 Second of purchased.
Their motto is to earn and earn money.
They loot hard earned money and they turn deaf and dump towards your querry.
All executives and engineers and also the marketing and brand promoters are all Frauds. They sleep for money and they want only money.
Never do a crime by thinking to buy wickedleak phones.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz7AC7vb7Bs
see for urself the video
Be
very careful
before buying Wickedleak products.I
purchased wammy titan 4 mobile in may-18 after searching lots of
phone i have selected this mobile as my choice. I was so much exited to get
this phone for the featured it had at such a great price. But as I received the
phone and when used it I experienced hell a lot of problems..I am
having
following issues.
1. severe heating
especially at earpiece area while using due to
it i cant place it on my ears
for calling.
2. very low battery
back up not even one day
3.now the device
has became very slow
4. centre button
is not working properly
5. I contacted customer care and they told me to
sent the phone and I sent to them they simply
returned the phone without doing
anything even not changing the battery.When I
received it back I checked the battery same battery life also heating issue.Then
I mailed them regarding battery
issues and no use. Now the
charging port is not working properly Still the
phone gets heated very badly
and I cant place on my ear after using 3g for
some time. I lost my 15000 rs
very bad experience.
. Friends make a wise choice before u buy anything from this company. Dont
commit the same mistake i did.
The guy who made above comment is paid by Micromax and Xolo. Its actually quite disguting that Mr Shinoj is spreading such lies. Dont seel your soul for money!
also i think you have no work other than commenting. guess you havent even seen the handset as its obvious u r lying or some fake person
Dear i am commenting because i lost my hard earned money 15000 and ur case is not like that
then go to consumer case. u r fake person with no truth in you
see my video.
i am writing an email to Wickedleak to take action on you in court. People like you who go against good companies like Wickedleak , Maggi and etc and support foreign brands by defaming them must be in Jail. I think under section 500c of Indian penal code you will be in jail for such comments. you are abusing your right of freedom
From the
day i received i had issues with wammy titan 4 it was getting heated very badly
and very poor battery life. Also this company which u are saying good is not
having a single service centre in india. Also if i have any technical
issues when i called customer care they are telling to send mail to company
mail id. First time i am hearing from a mobile company. After several mails i
finally sent the mobile for repair specially mentioning my issues of getting
heated and battery life after receiving the mobile at company office they told
me that the mobile they have repaired and it is ok and sent it back. But when I
received the mobile and checked I found mobile is having same old issues of
getting heated badly and poor battery life also this company not even changed
the battery that was the minimum thing I expected. On what basis u are saying
product is very good???????????????. I know many peoples having issues with
wicked leak products they bought and none of them told that customer care is
very good
Never dont fear those wickedleak paid person. They can harm you any more. Because you have proof of the cheatings done by wickedleak. Pls Pls whatsaap me your number bro. We have a team in whatsapp group around 170 members who are cheated by this wickedleak company in the name of Indian Brand.
We can provide you full Refund with Compensation.
Pls forward me your number or whatsapp me to your number to 8885596856.
you are working for wicked leak so u can say this
i am a law student i dont work for them
You r a law person. F off.
Listen where is consumer protection act 1986?
Because you sell up Your boggies and futkies at wickeleak site and cheat several.
M.C. feel some shame on expressing 500c of Indian Penal Act.
Instead think of the penalty of selling faulty and dead products to consumers.
U r indulged in it. Sedusing mc to others.
Expressing real facts of what happened after buying titan 4 and titan 5 by shinoj is not really a crime.
Tel teri maa ki kasam ki tu wickedleak ka aadmi nehi hai? Tuje teri sari bap ki wasta?
Would highly recommend this handset . I am using it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz7AC7vb7Bs
Thirdclass phone is wickedleak titan 5 and note 5. I buyed both and became victims.
I buyed becoz of your confidience that you assures everyone to go for it so F it.
Wait n watch what m gonna do.
Bdway thnkxs for providing me link to comment.
M.C. Its becoz u sleep with wickedleak for money and favour and seduce others F off.
Only fools will buy this phone at this price.
Cons:
1.Over Priced as compared to competition.
2.Now a days all phones are coming with 3gb or 4gb Ram under Rs 10000. But they are selling it at over-priced.
3. Both Front and Rear Camera are very bad.
4. Battery back up is not average. 2 Hours for Internet then its gone. Need to charge for 30 Min to switch it on. No speed charging. Fake specifications.
5.Antitu Benchmarking Score and SAR value are very low.
6. Thirdclass ui. Dont hope for any updates.
7. Hangs every when and then and heavy like bricks.
8. Plastic Material.
9. Claiming We are only Indian Brand and Bharat Mobile etc and NOT having a single SERVICE CENTRE anywhere. Good opportunity for looting and Robbing at daylight.
10. Online Promotions and marketing gremics at every sites advertising as World Heavy Duty Phone and biggest battery and all to loot hard earned money.
Whenever I called them they simply tell me send emails. I asked is this the hell service you provide at doorstep and for lifetime. They again repeat to write in mails but all efforts are in vain. Never do they response to emails..
Stay a foot ahead from these type of Junk phones.
11. Online Service centre executives are worst. They do always false promise that they are arranging calls and never do they calls.
When I repeatedly called them then I think Manager picked up and started blaming me that I am wrong and do this and that useless thing and when I speak truth of whats going on regarding my issue then he starts abusing me and laughs at me and simply disconnects calls.
This is what 1 Year ONSITE Service and it will be remembered through entire life so called life time pick up and talking about door step service is amazing because at door step you will find Police not mechanics. They wil then arrest u and defame u to bar for writing comments.
All positive comments are from wickedleak’s paid members and their staff write good comments to support them. And are indirectly supporting an injustice which is a crime.
They will never refund you nor they will replace your phone nor even they will repair your pathetic phone no matter even if you complain just after 1 Second of purchased.
Their motto is to earn and earn money.
They loot hard earned money and they turn deaf and dump towards your querry.
All executives and engineers and also the marketing and brand promoters are all Frauds. They sleep for money and they want only money.
Never do a crime by thinking to buy wickedleak phones.