Two pieces of interesting Helio X20 news today. The first being the leaked Antutu benchmarks posted over on Chinese websites and the 2nd that the benchmarks were ran on a HTC phone.
Each year Mediatek launches a new flagship chipset and each year we wait with bated breath to see what phones will ship first and what the performance will be like. This year is a little different though as Mediatek and it’s Helio X20 are seen as serious competition o the Snapdragon 820, Kirin 950 and latest Samsung processors.
These Antutu benchmarks from the first (known) Helio X20 tests show the processor can score 85,632 points. That’s not a bad score for a phone with 2K display and 3GB RAM (see below). But it’s not as high as we hoped really.
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In comparison the Snapdragon 650 powered Redmi Note 3 scores 74,000 points on Antutu 6.0. As the Helio X20 is seen more as a Snapdragon 820 rival many tech enthusiasts were hoping for a really incredible number.
But before you turn away with your head drooped in disappointment keep in mind that the Helio X20 isn’t even in mass production yet, and that these earlier benchmarks are probably taken from development phones needing a lot of optimisation to really see the chip’s full potential.
Speaking of the phone, the model that the X20 is rumoured to have ran this Antutu score is a HTC device with 2K display, 3GB RAM, 32GB memory, 21 mega-pixel rear camera and 13 mega-pixel front.
With this first benchmark out of the way keep posted for more Antutu scores to come. What are your first impressions of the Helio X20 benchmarks?
I’m not sure what people were really expecting but you have to bear in mind it only has 2 A72 cores and a T880mp4 gpu so it’s never going to compete with the sd820 or exynos CPUs. I think once optimized it may hit close to 90000 but nothing more.
Mediatek provide stable performances. A72 will provide maybe 10% less than Kryo on single-core…but first benchmarks show 30% variation on Kryo : best scores about 2300, worst about 1700. On x20 all are about 2100, on average both are equal…
And if Kryo are like Krait, JavaScript and html5 won’t be as good as standard Arm core.
Multicore are far far better on x20 ( by 40%)
What can we expect from gpu…as good as adreno 430 but stable I think. Adreno 530 could be 50% better on benchmark, but as always in-game fps measurements (with gamebench) will be closer… Maybe 20% I think
Exynos 7420’s maliT760mp8 isn’t stable…it losts more than half performances on long term performances. See gfxbench, T-Rex onscreen and long term performance (same test played 30x) should be the same. T-Rex on-screen is 36.4fps, long term performance is 15.3fps!
880mp12 is too big…we can expect the same problem. Play 10 minutes, you will see it performs like mp6!
Sure x20 will not compete with exynos and s820 on website’s test which shows only short benchmarks analyses…but in reallife use, I think applications and website pages will open as fast or even quicker and game won’t be as bad as benchmarks said…
With both phones in your hand, i’m not sure you will prefer s820
It will never compete with the 820 and 8870 GPU’s. The actual CPU is a direct competitor to both chips at least if the leaked Geekbench results are correct.
Well, if I’m not wrong latest antutu version was built to give gpu higher relevance (in order to put iphones on top of the list ?) so no wonder x20 is so “low” since gpu is where they save more money as possible.
And that not to even start with the good old “benchmark are not important”.
However, i remember something about x20 to be on sd810’s level, while the real counter to 820 will be x30…
Not that it’s important, as long as x20 is a good soc at a fair price, that’s all that really matters
endorsed….
likes the last sentence especially 😀
if only these guys put out the sources for the dev … i mean the phone companies…. for ROM lovers. it gives so much pleasure to experience the different customization and things one can do. Thnx to the devs at XDA, my Galaxy S2 is still alive and kicking lollipop and may be getting a taste of marshmallow before i move on.
I still use a Nexus 4 thanks to the guys at XDA. I use it mostly to just try out new ROM’s for future reference.
About that, I’m still wondering why companies does not hire people on xda, since they do a better job than the ones actually paid to work on the rom lol
totally agree… I really can’t say anything about Oxygen OS on 1+ 2 but I believe these guys were developing ROMs on have been publishing them on XDA before 1+ hired them.
Well it’s not a good SoC. Cheap basterd’s pushed to much big cluster & multimedia acceleration blok is lagging far behind concurrency, cellular radio is still far behind, GPU is less efficient & cetera.
I really wonder dose anyone hire see more far from its nose? SoC is sum of its parts (& how good they are orchestrated) not just General purpose CPU block pushed to far (raping the silicone).
The fact is that mediatek kept its “minor brand” mentality while becoming a major in the market, and that’s not the best combination possible… Their socs are still fine for what they’re targeting, but certainly not at qualcomm’s and samsung’s level… Mediatek kinda overlook details, some important (gpu), some less important (lte cat 10 I’ll never see in my country)
I believe it’s Antutu 6.0, in 5 it will score higher
waiting for realjjj to come in with his analysis 😀
+1
lol 😀
lol , it is Antutu and this thing is a joke so i prefer to ignore it, giving it any attention feels like endorsing it.
First, any system wide benchmark doesn’t tell you much. And how much each component weights in the final score is decided by the developer based on …. whatever . Looking at each score could have some relevance,,in some cases but the total is just pointless.
Antutu is extra stupid by testing the GPU on screen and giving the GPU score a lot of weight in the final score. I think they might have actually increased the importance of the GPU in the newest versions – apparently their app did not suck enough.. So they reward lower resolution, the lower the better, that’s why the 750p iphone tops the rankings. They would argue that they rate the device not the SoC and that is true but a device with lower res is not better than one with higher res, yet their benchmark ranks the lower res device as better. A sane developer would penalize lower res, instead of rewarding it and if they really wanted to do it right, they could penalize GPUs that falls bellow a certain FPS on screen too.
Antutu aside, hard to say if the score is legit and if the SoC had everything enabled and at max clocks. Recently there was a Geekbench score for X20 where the A72 appeared disabled so might be the same dev board, if the score is legit. http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/4948052?baseline=4630896
This nonsense aside, one does have to wonder if X20 is delayed ,hopefully it is ready at MWC not later. Too few leaks for now.
Holy crap we agree on something!
And all that being said the scores here for the X20 is based on a 2K resolution, you go figure if we were to do the same PhoneArena did, WHAT NUMBERS SHOULD WE BE SPECTING???
In Antutu terms who cares.
On the CPU side , in Geekbench in integer and FP, assuming they hit the 2.5GHz they are supposed to hit , the A72s have some 50% advantage over SD650 (40% higher clocks and an extra gain from using a newer revision of the core). In memory maybe a tiny advantage but similar enough. Ofc in multi core the X20 has 4 more cores and a process advantage.
On the GPU side, it depends how hard each throttles. Given their history,Mediatek is yet to do that but who’s to say they won’t start now. For Qualcomm anything from 0 to 50% is possible but i am optimistic that it won’t throttle too hard. Short term GPU perf is somewhat known for the SD650 and can be estimated for the X20, should be in the same league but that has minimal value and throttling must be factored in. GPU perf will depend on software and cooling too. The Mi 4c does a lot worse than the Nexus 5x with the same SoC. For GPU perf it would be wise to wait for more data.
In power Mediatek should win, they got a process node advantage and the extra cores. In actual browsing or app load times, that’s too much about software, NAND ,connectivity and there are wildly different experiences even in devices with the same SoC.
Bonus for bored readers -a small article on how MTK decided on the 10 cores http://www.techdesignforums.com/blog/2015/06/24/mediatek-extends-biglittle-strategy-with-tri-cluster-smartphone-cpu/
40% bigger clocks will give a 38% advantage in performance along with 75% bigger power consumption the revision is minor one.
Get a grip on your self!
DSP uses around 20~25% of energy needed by General purpose cores for same tasks when you add a Symphony brancher (task divider) you can take some advantages out of it on general lv.
The S650 power consumption will be a noticeably smaller than X20!
The story how 10 similar cores will consume less power in real usage than 6 same ones is pretty much flat one. Approach with using more general purpose accelerators for as much general purpose tasks as possible is much better thing to do than insanely adding more general purpose CPU cores for nothing.
I am still claiming that S652 will be a best choice for general usage consumer purposes & that it represents best balanced one up to date.
You need to slow down and take a bit more time before just reacting.
The Geekbench difference in integer and FP is not assumed, you can go and search for it, i was specific , you failing to notice that, is on you. I haven’t mentioned the interconnect or memory controller as potential factors that impact that result since i can’t quantify their impact yet (no data) and that would be too in depth here anyway.
Power consumption, depends how you count it, max, or same task over an equal time interval? A75% claim is very bombastic and very misleading and you know it.
You seem to have a special relationship with DSPs and that’s fine, hell in a perfect world i would love to see lots of specialized cores in SoCs but cost makes that problematic. Marketing that is rather problematic too. Against what you compare DSP power needs to be well defined and you don’t do that. Ideally,and i’m sure we can all agree on that, one should use the best compute unit for the task no matter what compute unit it is. Some tasks will do better on CPU, some on DSP, some on GPU and so on. Overutilizing some compute unit is conterproductive. DSP perf is not getting much testing and marketing dollars when it comes to consumers and that should be fixed but mobile benchmarking is beyond terrible for now .And no idea why you seem to assume that Mediatek hates specialized accelerators , that’s actually the path they are following too, many specialized heterogeneous cores.
The overall power claim despite the extra cluster and process advantage is a bold move and would assume a scenario where somehow everything runs on some magical DSP. Users do browsing, IM , social , some video and audio playback, some gaming. It is true that we got tool little info on GPU to judge gaming power consumption. For LTE power consumption Mediatek got rather good at it but lets not assume who is winning instead of waiting for data.
SD652 vs SD650 for me depends on price.If SD650 is 20% cheaper or more ,would say it’s the better deal for most users. As for X20, if it’s worth 50% more or nothing at all, depends on what a user values. I would have really liked to see UFS support for the X20 since NAND speeds have been getting better but i still see them as insufficient.
This doesn’t mean that i don’t like SD65x , Qualcomm got outfoxed so many times in the last years that it’s nice to see them outfoxing the others this time. The SD650 in 150$ phones is awesome and it does put the MTK P10 in an awkward position.
“A75% claim is very bombastic and very misleading and you know it” I am still behind that claim as I know it as a fact.
Hitting a clock up 40% will give you a little less then 40% (38%) performance more & their is no doubt about it, it can’t give you more & thats a common sense.
You didn’t mention a shit! On A75’s it’s about TBL, predictor & L2 cache (thanks to better interconnect), less misses & faster caching when it misses…
Their is no “magical DSP”, me by the fliper with voice synthesis whose considered as one 45 years ago. What their is are better solutions then competing QDSP 680 a Tensilica Vision P5 DSP or MX5 from Ceva to naime a couple.
Their is still a lot of room for improvements & I do think FPGA’s are a real answer for the future. It’s not about having a specialized ASICS for every function but one multi purpose acelerator that can be programed & used for many (paralel or less paralel simultaneous) tasks & it can be programed in all arias from better algorithms to use of new codes or functions, though time even for cognitive computing (storing patterns).
GPU’s aren’t good in those tasks you know.
When it comes to cellular radio’s QC is definitely still at the no#1 place (ask Apple) & far ahead MTK.
lol you are going in fanboy mode.
Already asked before but it didn’t register, 75% based on what? On same task? Obviously not. In peak power,maybe since they choose to go 2 cores instead of 4 to be able to reach those clocks and perf. What’s the impact in actual usage, well you don’t want to talk about that since you really like your 75%. What’s the power for the same task , you don’t want to talk about that either. Max power is a TDP limitation ,none of these can put 100% load on all cores in a phone TDP for long and when it comes down to it MTK has far higher efficiency, if you are gonna talk about max load numbers.
But hey lets just bark 75% instead, because we don’t think we just react.
The perf of the core doesn’t depend only on the core. The memory subsystem ,the interconnect ,plenty of other things and in this case the newer core revision impact the perf and you know that very well but for w/e reason you just decided to flat out lie.And again the Geekbench results in integer and FP are not estimates, just rounded numbers based on actual and available results, a verifiable fact.
The SD65x uses V56 not the newer 680, that one is in SD820 and the problem was that your were making it sound like a DSP is some kind of general purpose computing unit when it is just a DSP., it’s not gonna magically replace the CPU.
As for the future, depends how far ,what form factor and a lot more. The future are glasses and less , close to 0 volume available, 0 power and heat. How things get there fast, too early to tell. For now an OS that uses a neuromorphic computing unit in at least 10 good ways, would be really nice.
On the LTE side, depends how you define it, the conversation here was about power, having cat 12/13 in a cat 6 world isn’t a real advantage. And power wise, MTK is pretty good now ,would wait for actual numbers before declaring a winner. And ofc don’t forget that this is SD65x on 28nnm not SD820. Not that LTE matters that much to users since the bulk of the data uses wifi.
According to benchmark I think first batch of x20 will be 2.3ghz…
Later on we will see 2.5
Agree with you, specialy on nand access! I’m waiting for compared (real life usage, not benchmark) HTC M10, 820 and x20 models
820 will win over x20 in most metrics and will cost more too. On the NAND side, SD820 supports UFS 2.0 and that’s a big plus, assuming phone makers take advantage of that.
We’ll see what X30 is and maybe they have more than just x30. I do hope wifi ad gains traction even in the lower end,not just devices with SD820.
In metrics as you said…
Metrics in reviews are often the same…
Qualcomm show off on metrics…
Geekbench :
Krait was made to give correct geekbench scores…but this CPU was lower than regular Cortex on JavaScript and html5. In real usage that’s more important.
Kryo would probably be the same…due to lack of A53, they probably reduce some pipelines to limite power consumption
Antutu :
With v6 all Qualcomm soc gain many points…chanlog between v5 and v6 seem to favorise Qualcomm by overated GPU and single-core cpu
Gfxbench :
Always overate Qualcomm… The only things that not avantage Qualcomm is long term performance…reviews never show this score.
Now de start seeing kirin 950 test on Mate 8…A72 seems to be better benchmark leaks
And maliT880mp4 seem to more close to Adreno 530 in-game measurement.
Real-racing 3 maxed to 60fps (fullhd) on T880mp4…Adreno 530 leaks reach only 45fps in QHD… Even if de take care of the extra amount of pixels…difference is about 20 or 25%
That mean that limitation isn’t in GPU, but elsewere.
In real-life, Adreno 530 or maliT880mp12 are useless… When they run at full speed, they will probably throttle…but nobody will notice because they never run at full speed, except in benchmark…
Samsung could replace by mp6, in real usage, noboby would notice…they put mp12 only for benchmark
I’m waiting for a side by side comparaison between x20 and 820 on HTC M10…
I’m confident that x20 will win in real-life usage…
And that 820 will win in-real-gaming (not 3d bench) but not that much (less than 20%…less than 10% in long term game sessions)
Yes you’re right UFS 2.0 is very nice…to me it’s far usefull than heavy GPU…random reading may becomes important in next OS iterations (random reading, the unsaid weakness of shield TV…)
SD820 does support UFS 2.0 and phones with it will tend to have 2×2 wifi , those would be significant advantages in real usage. Would be nice if we see more than 1 stream in X20 phones too but wifi isn’t getting any marketing dollars so phone makers don’t invest much there.
For Geekbench i do wonder if SD820 runs all the tests on the CPU but no real clue if anything iffy is going on. It does have a crazy memory score and if that’s for real, it should impact real usage.
On the GPU side , we’ll see but i don’t expect it to throttle so badly that it would lose to MP4 at 700MHz or even 900MHz. I also wonder if they spent more on the GPU size this time around and went with more conservative clocks. I do expect SD820 to be well ahead in GPU even in sustained perf.
X20 wasn’t really aimed at SD820, it’s on 20nm, small enough GPU, just DDR3 so it should have a significant cost advantage over SD820 and fill a different segment.
that was a BIGASS analysis tho …
but coming to the point , thats just cheap from Antutu !
Fully agree that the latest 6.x.x version on Antutu is complete garbage. Why Gpu so important? It’s not realistic, it’s not fair. As someone said, most probably they made the change to return the i_crap_phones on top! lol
How much each score weights will only fit a portion of the users, the main problem with benchmarks that test the entire system., even good ones. Antutu is extra weird in how they factor in the GPU and they really need to do better to matter.
i think the x20 will take the ground away from SD 650 and 652 …
P10 will beat up SD 616 and 617
and x30 will go head to head with SD 820 , Exynos 8890 and Kirin 950 (maybe the kirin 950 is a match for x20 ???)
so , before Qualcomm fanboys and mindless sheep come out celebrating , kindly take a look at what the MTK CPU hierarchy prioritizes before making any premature conclusions !
if the redmi note 3 is launched with SD650 at a price tag hovering 13k rupees, I will get it. 😉
who wouldnt ?!
im hoping to see its price drop in the near future … its the FIRST solid option on my list so far (after rumors of hybrid sim card slot arose) . looks v.tempting for the specs on offer !
Hybrid sim card, apple is already testing e-sim
Apple is a pioneer in many things … credit where it is due. i only loathe their extravagant pricing.
and atm , not EVERYONE is a billionare to afford gilttering new tech every now and then !
iI don’t know the actuall price of the handset but it’s confirmed that redmi note 3 pro will use sd650.
Not in this life time. You really need to learn much more.
Only SoC MTK ever produced that whose best in its class (entry lv) whose MT6732 but they fucked that one up with no suport.
6752 is far better than 615 too!
801 is far far better than 6595 on benchmarks only but in-game FPS measurements are often very close…
Same between 810 ans 6795
What are you waiting for? Soc made for benchmarks that throttle?
Is it normal that a 2.0ghz A57 run at 900mhz after a few minutes?
I think Soc that give you what you paid for is better…
im NOT prejudging … just tryna make sense of who’s supposed to go up against who.
too many mindless kids polluting the phones with MTK bashing and stuff … without thinking once !
No he’s right. X20 is on par with sd650 which is almost on par with 810.
Will be faster (X20) in CPU related tasks (38~39%), will be far behind in multimedia capabilities & cellular radio is worse all of this will give a considerable bigger power consumption to it.
well, I didn’t yet look at the power consumption.. do you have a source that confirms that x20 is sucking more power from the battery?
Think common sense & formal logic is enough (at least it is for me)…
HTC was my answer the other day for “Which Phone will launch first”.
Also keep in mind these are Antutu results and they mean next to nothing for actual performance.
Frankly I’ve been waiting for the Helio x20 for way too long that am now more interested in getting the snapdragon 650 not just for the better GPU adreno 510>>mali T880MP4 (gamer here) but also for the avalanche of ROM and kernel tweaks that come with every Snapdragon soc.
Why have you been waiting so long for the X20, it has been well known it wouldn;t be released till 2016.
No, they announced it around may 2015 with the promise of late 2015. It’s now almost February and judging by the mtk adoption rate, it should launch in Feb at mwc but will reach mainstream market around late March or early April.
The actual Mediatek press release says “by end of year” which is the date it is available to manufacturers. Every Android dedicated website speculated back in May it wouldn’t show up in devices until Q1 2016:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9227/mediatek-helio-x20
http://www.androidheadlines.com/2015/05/mediatek-announces-deca-core-helio-x20-processor-available-q1-2016.html
http://thedroidreview.com/top-chinese-smartphones-with-mediateks-helio-x20-soc-to-look-out-for-in-q1-2016-6385
http://www.phonearena.com/news/MediaTek-unveils-the-first-ten-core-mobile-chipset-Helio-X20_id69198
Phonearena actually speculated that we’d have some devices by the holidays. Also, we only know of around than 5 devices that look like they are going to early adopt this soc. Most manufacturers are still trying to cash in on the Helio P10. Meanwhile, the 652 and 650 are already appearing on devices such as the Galaxy A9 and the Redmi Note 3 pro
Phoenarena said holidays was possible but most likely Q1. The SD650 was announced back in February, then it was called the 620 and phones are just now showing up. So the wait was just as long.
HTC, Meizu, Bluboo, Doogee, Xiaomi, LeEco, Zoppo, Gionee, TCL, Umi and several others will all launch X20 powered phones in 2016.
It whose called S618 the S652 is old named S620.
Correct but it’s the same family chips that were announced at the same time.
http://www.gsmarena.com/qualcomm_is_expanding_its_soc_lineup_with_four_new_chips-news-11240.php
Well they started shipping in 4Q & at least 3~4 months are needed for consumer product.
I doubt the Helio x20 can compete with the Snapdragon 652 leave alone the 820…
in a day to day not only it can compete, but it’s better than the current sd650. I don’t know how it will compare to 652 but I doubt it will lose by a huge margin.
You can spot a difference but not in CPU performance; difference will be obvious in multimedia related heavy tasks (video, HDR pictures, night mode and cetera) along with power consumption (better cellular modem, a more comprehensive DSP blocks, smaller frequencies & more optimized GPU on QC) + multitasking capabilities on S652 thanks to quad A72 cluster.
Even the CPU sped advantages in most used browser related tasks that MTK have melts down with better optimizations for QC thanks to CAF (as for instance CAF Cromium project).
those numbers look identical to the snapdragon 650
actually sd650 scores better 🙂
Agreed
The graphics score is still low, they need to step it up if they want to compete in the upper mid-range.
I disagree, it will make the SoC unnecessarily big and expensive. GPUs are pretty much useless on phones anyway. High end gaming happens on consoles and PCs , phones are better suited for casual games (=weak GPU).
The one thing that Mediatek should step up is documentation. Roms are mediocre at best on mediatek phones all because of the bad documentation.
If your SoC didn’t have a GPU it wouldn’t be an SoC, it also wouldn’t display anything on the screen. The quality of GPU determines the frame rates you will get on the display, if you don’t mind choppy laggy frames by all means get a cheap one. When the range of processor prices goes at $15, spending a few more bucks isn’t going to kill them when we will gladly pay the difference.
But that’s not what I said (not to have a GPU), just to have a weak one as it goes unused for the vast amount of people.
BTW, nope most of the UI rendering happens on the CPU, the GPU plays small role, but even then a mid-range GPU, even a low end one produces same results.
Like 90% of GPUs’ power goes unused for UI rendering, it only matter to games, and very few are hardcore gamers on … phones.
Basically that’s my point, mobile GPUs are a waste for most people, especially when they come in opposition to CPU power which is an order of magnitude more important.
I agree with you. I don’t play any 3D games and programs with 3D graphics (for example Be-On-Road or Mapfactor Navigator) run smooth even on my weak phone with MT6582.
You did say it and edited your post but enough of that. Android tries to hit 60fps using GPU rendering as default since ICS so the cpu hasn’t done the graphics work since 2011. Hitting 60fps in the UI is not a 10% operation for low end GPUs since some of them can’t even do it. The high end can have that low of usage but that is because it has more capability. There is much more lag to worry about than just the UI, anything with pictures can bog down a low end gpu. The CPU and GPU work in tandem and if one wheel of the cart is turning slow, the rest will slow with it.
I didn’t edit my post, I never edit my posts, unless it is for typos…
Most low end GPUs do it very well nowadays. A low end gpu was not enough back in 2012, not anymore. Even MT6582 is just fine for rendering the UI.
BTW MT6582 phones do lag but it’s mostly because the CPU is 100%, if you enable the statistics, you *never* see the GPU stressing on the UI. If MT6582 is enough for GPU rendering, frankly every GPU is nowadays…
Now games are another issue altogether. But few people are serious 3D gamers…
But such heavy GPU sometime lead to throttling.
For exemple maliT760mp8 on Exynos, gfxbench give 36.4fps on-screen on T-Rex bench…long term performance give 15.3fps (same T-Rex test play 30 times). That mean that your heavy mp8 can’t provide more than mp4 after you use it a few minutes…
A Jiayu s3 with mt6752’s maliT760mp2 fullhd is better after a few minutes than galaxy S6’s T760mp8 un QHD!!
As I dislike Apple device, there’s few throttling on them, good point for them (yes there are some!) …A8/A9 are far better than Snapdragon or Exynos…
Mediatek throttling is limited too…people shouldn’t forget it…tests forget that point many time
Running a 3D benchmark 30 times to make it throttle is just looking for problems were none exist. Do you really believe an S6 throttles after a few minutes? Seriously? I know that it doesn’t…
French web site “lesnumeriques” test s6 during 15minutes with epic citadel too…framerate falls heavily!
I think hardcore gamers could play more than 15minutes. It make sense!
On Jiayu, no fall at all! After 15minutes, Jiayu becomes faster than galaxy s6 on Epic Citadel!
On iPhone (that I dislike), no fall too…
For casual gamers, Kirin 950 and x20 are more than enough.
Cortex A57 on s810 start throttling the 2nd minute!!
On Adreno 430 you can see realracing 3 starting at 50fps, after a few seconds (yes seconds!!), it falls at 30fps (gamebench) …powervr6200 on x10 is then very close to him!
Qualcomm and Samsung sell “on paper” specs…
I have seen plenty of gaming tests of the S6 that go over 20 minutes and the thermals are only 38C which is nowhere close to overheating and none of the games showed the slightest lag. I have an SD808 in the Mi4C and can play Unkilled until the battery dies without any heating issues. Of course it gets warm like 40C, but that doesn’t cause it to throttle. I had the X10 in the Redmi Note 2 and it would lag when the zombies pile up on you and overheat.
Most time games doesn’t need full S6 power…throttling appear when full power is needed…in benchmark! If Exynos 7420 handle a T760mp4 instead of mp8 you probably doesn’t see any difference most of the time.
760mp2 run very well in fullhd…except a few game on some 5.0 kernel
For exemple Real racing 3 is heavier than Asphalt 8, on some mt6752’s 5.0 kernels Asphalt can’t be played properly when RR3 is ok…on some other kernels Asphalt 8 is ok
Nearly no throttling on 808…adreno 418 in real life is better than 430!
That’s why LG choose 808 instead 810 in their flagship G4 (they were disappointed by 810 previously released in gflex 2)
808 is the only good chip from Qualcomm in 2015, it’s the best proof that sometimes smaller GPU could run better than big one.
808 and Adreno 418 can run all the games very well
I think your problem on x10 comes from kernel compatibily with a few game…
I can post some comparative videos between x10 and 810 if you want
Or if you speak french, video from “lesnumeriques” witch talk about Jiayu S3 and S6 throttling on Epic Citadel
We all know the 810 is overheating crap, you get no argument there but you compared to Exynos 7420 which runs cooler for much longer. It takes it a very long time if ever for it to overheat, not a few minutes like that french fry said. Running S6 in power savings mode is still faster the Jiayu S3.
Test yourself…gfxbench long term performance duration is 30 minutes long…there are some graphics available at the end.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9558/the-samsung-galaxy-note5-and-galaxy-s6-edge-review/2
Here is Note 5’s Exynos 7420, look at T-rex HD test, you will see that it fastly lost 20%…it looses 50% in about 20minutes
My Lenovo yoga 2-830 with Intel z3745 lost…2% only in 30minutes! 18fps on all iterations, It costs me 100€!
Do you ever run a 3D benchmark for 30 minutes straight? Do you ever play the most demanding 3D games in the highest intensity scenes for 20 minutes straight? The chance that it happens are rare and really a non-factor in daily use. The Yoga 2 is a tablet with plenty of area for the SoC to dissipate heat and it runs less than half the speed, comparing it to a high performance phone is non-sequitur.
Well a larger GPU can deliver the same performance with actual smaller power consumption. It’s natural that SoC-s with 2 or 3x bigger GPU’s cost significantly more to produce (as GPU is biggest part of die). Honey there are so much of emulators on Android that console part is pretty much covered & it will be covered even more in the future with stronger GPU’s & Vulcan. Efficiency is pretty much more important on phones than anything else.
Don’t expect cheap basterd’s to open ever as that costs a lot of resources and time & again it doesn’t guarantee any success.
Maybe it’s more efficient. My point is that “even so” most people don’t use it.
Most of UI rendering still happens on CPU and even the lowest of the low GPUs of this day and age are enough for UI rendering.
If you game, OK, but you’re a minority. I don’t know many people playing hardcore games or emulators on their phone. Mostly because those processes kill the battery, and a phone is useful when it makes the day.
it more look like snapdragon 650, 2 x A72 + 4 x A53, and additional 4 A53 with low freq
this low antutu was so obvious,
and the GPU, well i dont know how the Adreno 510 scores on Gflops http://kyokojap.myweb.hinet.net/gpu_gflops/
but Kirin 950 scores 122.4, while Helio X20 scores 95.2
i would have say its a mid-high chip
and after people claim that the helio x10 has a wi-fi signal drop problem, the people of MediaTek should make several phones with helio x20 and let people to play and test them for a week, before they go on mass production
A72 aren’t as good on snapdragon than on Mediatek for many reasons :
– far lower frequency
– A72 revision 0 when it’s revision 1 on x20 (A53 rev0 are 15% less efficient on s410 fo exemple)
– 28nm processus may give some throttling
Results on geekbench are 1500pts single-core for snapdragon 650 and 2100 for x20
Dont trust gflops, that mean nothing…adreno are overated on gflops. Even on Mali, 450mp4 is 41.8, T760mp2 is 47.6…the second is 2.5x better
And throttling doesn’t affect gflops
Their is no much difference between A72 revisions yet. It’s logical difference in scaling performance & frequency between two of them.
Adrenos GFLOPS number’s are OK but that is calculation performance not a graphic workload one. When it comes to graphics related ones all Adrenos are bad in texture surface transform that is pretty much the worst case shown with Antutu (that is pice of shit out of benchmark) using Uniti engine with lots of transforms (water surfaces).
If you want even remotely acute benchmarking use industrial ones for synthetic & PC Mark for real usage, on gpu side use Dolphine emulator & 3D mark.
Sorry for my english 🙂
What I mean is Adreno 530’s 588gflops aren’t 6 time faster than T880’s 95gflops…
It will be maybe 60% faster in benchmark, and with CPU usage and physics and throttling, I doubt difference in-game will exceed 20%…
We must wait for availabily and tests.
Problem is that web sites will only provide benchmarks results.
Then customers think mediatek’s gpu are bad, in real-use they aren’t.
PC mark isn’t a good benchmark too…I know some soc that have 0 points on video chapter even if they’re able to read 4k h265!
Depends what T880 (it scales up to MP24) the MP12 one will even be faster in some workloads…
Mp4@700mhz on x20
That’s a funny one!
Try with MP12 on Exunos 8870 & it will still lose (most of the times) from A530.
Lol, lower score than sd650… otherwise the cpu itself is better than sd650, while the gpu is not on par with the adreno 510 in sd650
CPU score will more than outmatch the SD 650 and SD810, but the 3D score might be on par with Adreno 510, but won`t be in the category of Adreno 430 say, but better/equal to the Adreno 418(SD808).
I didn`t expect a higher score than Kirin 950, the X20 will compete in the mid-range flagship killer segment(that is now a common thing in smartphones, thanks to the OnePlus One/Honor and Redmi Note devices)
So, we will see it in phones costing around 250-350$ in general(except Meizu that will cost at least 100$ more, becasue well Meizu).
I’ve seen AnTuTu scores from iPhone 6S and Galaxy Note 5. The CPU performance is similar: Apple 11500, Samsung 10500 and MediaTek 10000.
But the big difference is in 3D performance. Apple 23 000, Samsung 15 000 and MediaTek 8000. Apple has no competition in 3D performance and is almost 3x faster then MediaTek.
Apple’s Iphone is always king of the crop when it comes to GPU performance, that`s why it costs so much.
You want the latest hardware and the perfect performance for the next 2-3 years and you don`t care how much you spend – get an Iphone.
If you care about your earning you can have a similar feel with maybe better camera and battery life at half the price and a better screen – get a flagship Android.
All of this power will be useless if the battery life isn’t better than the X10 which was quite a battery drainer – as in the Redmi Note 2 among others.
I almost thought it’s 85,000 on AnTuTu v5! But it’s NOT!
85,000 on AnTuTu 6 is a joke, probably corresponds to around 25,000 on AnTuTu v5.
This piece of crap SoC is another one on my won’t-buy list. I’ll bet the X30, and the X40 and the X100 will be equally disappointing,
Eagerly waiting for the Exynos 8890, which will also have good GPS unlike the EPO based crappy MediaTek GPS (which doesn’t work offline).
Antutu v6 is a contentious benchmark. They used to give a separate score for gpu and cpu, and only one score really refered to each. The CPU was given more preference in the overall score, than was the GPU. And single core.. But all of that changed in v6:
* the CPU