What’s the difference between the UMi Rome and UMi Rome X?

And the desing imo isn’t a turn off either…

You get what you pay for.

stop using samsung as an example, the quality is not on par are you hard of hearing/reading.. lol , you are specultating i have put up hard facts on the model for the screen

Or maybe you’re a slow brained person who is easily influenced by marketing lies.

No matter what is the quality of the screen, a real AMOLED (Samsung or not) shouldn’t have a backlight panel

PS> adding this as a separate note.

what about qualcomm for comparison? you ask…

generally speaking you can find a similar lineup from Qualcomm but with double the GPU, where for example the snapdragon 808 lines up almost perfectly with the Helio P10 for the cpu performance, but the gpu is twice as strong leading to antutu scores that are about 103% of the best Helio X10 phones.

if you never, ever, want to see even the slightest delay in system animations, etc, the gpu becomes important. You probably want about double the CPU perf (~900 single| 4000 multi), and a GPU subscore in antutu of at least ~13000. This limits you to the X20’s just now coming out, although the CPU there is basically overkill. From Qualcomm, you’d also have to go all the way, to an 810 or 820 — the 808 and 650 have fine single core perf and GPU, but are anemic in multi-core performance (used for things like video processing). Even with the 810, you have to be careful, the lower performing phones with this chip still fail to meet the perf specs we laid out.

Yes and no. It really depends on the end user. Some people will never need more than 2GB of RAM, others will. For some GPU is more important than anything because they play a lot of games. For others camera is most important (like me). If I had a choice between a 2GB phone with an amazing camera or a 4GB phone with an average camera I would trade the memory in a heartbeat.

I think — it depends on several factors .. it basically always is the worse performer, but by a tiny amount except one measure. It is weaker mostly in the same way that Qualcomm chips compare as weakest to Mediatek chips in general — the multi core power. That’s not the most important metric.

The P10 phones can be cheaper than X10 phones, but not a lot: many companies are putting it into new phones with lots of new tech like fast charging, finger print scanners, or NFC. In that way the X10s .. which are all older, can reach the same market segment.

But a highly clocked, good performing design with an X10 will outshine the P10… again mostly in multi core scores.

Basically, the P10 is better because you get a little worse performance and a lot more modern peripherals.

If you are trying to skimp on those “unnecessaries”, or if you need the more powerful multi-core score (heavy user who knows they will use 4gb ram), than the X10 is better with the caveat that it will still cost as much as the P10 in a fairly nice phone like the Ele P9000

You always need more than 2GB of RAM whether you feel it or not. You’ll simply experience it as a slower phone (more reloads). If you mean “OK, but it doesn’t matter to me, the phone is snappy enough as it is”, then we’re in agreement but I didn’t say anything different.

“Performance wise RAM amount is the most important spec” (that’s all I said really).

Respectively, Gaming Wise is GPU (obviously)

And if you like taking photos 3 things matter, SoC abilities for post-processing, the OS’s implementation of it and (of course) the physical hardware (the camera).

Basically that’s why it’s so hard to find good cameras in low-end, it can only be done by companies that care even about the slightest thing.

There are SoCs still on the low end that can’t handle the post processing due to the extremely weak GPU (mt6580 comes to mind).

Again, you confuse Linux with Windows, there is no such thing as unused RAM in Linux kernel. All Ram is used at all times, that’s why after a day or so of use you’re going to see your ram consumption at 80%+ even if you made light use. Ram has multiple uses, one is temporary storage for app functions at the time that it is being used, but another is being used as a ramdisk. If your phone has an aggressive ram management (like Samsung devices do), then you’d see more “free” ram than in the rest of the phones. That’s generally a bad thing and one of the reasons that Samsung phones feel slower than what their hardware suggests… Unused ram is useless ram.

“Free RAM” is fantasy, you only think such a thing exists because Microsoft spoilt people’s understanding of how/what RAM works/is. (hence why I referred to Microsoft)

RAM is more like the CPU than normal storage. You can’t say I don’t use 100% of my CPU so I only need it to max at 50%. Some processes always do, even if it’s for a split second, it’s inevitable.

I don’t know why is that hard for you to understand though. Just because your phone is weak doesn’t mean that how computers work would change. Yeah, you have a slower phone. So what? It’s the compromise you bought so that to have other things like better camera and/or GPU. Others care for neither so I advice them to *always* buy more ram.

What you call as minfree settings (BTW) is to what I referred as “RAM management”. Same concept, just how Android names it, due to that you’ll never see your ram being 100%, but it’s actually 100% used, in fact that’s exactly what minfree’s point is. Every process needs some “free” RAM at all times, if all was used for caching it would be impossible for an app to compute. Hence why I told you that RAM’s point is both to assist to computation (routines’ tables, calculations) *and* cache apps.

In Windows things are different. Caching is used only sparingly and RAM is mostly used for computation processes. So if RAM starts getting low instead of the “RAM management” mechanism that Linux Kernel employs, it uses a pagefile.

Also one of the reasons that Samsung phones are slower is/are the constant reloads of data (the CPU has to go through main storage to restore data to the screen), that’s probably one of the greatest reasons of Samsung’s slowness. Inefficient coding is only secondary in the long run (you wouldn’t have to constantly call inefficient code if its results were already stored on ram, or -at least- you would do less of that)…

Except I don’t have a weak phone at all nice try. Again you bring up Windows which NO ONE was talking about. Windows had ZERO to do with this conversation but yet you keep mentioning it.

Nope I spoke about free RAM. Most Android UI’s have memory management which prevents the Android system from using all of the RAM, that is free RAM. I have a Meizu MX5 with 3GB of RAM, the system never uses the full 3GB, I always have at least 500 free.

I am defending 2GB for someone who doesn’t use a lot of apps, something you consistently ignore in my argument. For someone who doesn’t use a lot of apps, 2GB is plenty of RAM.