Mediatek roadmap confirms 16nm Helio P20

Weren’t you telling us the other day how the P20 would never happen with 16nm?

Exactly what i’m saying at all my posts for this.

“Yet ,they apparently are doing that and they’ll get hurt” +1, they’ll get heart real bad.

“they still have a gap in their roadmap” +1 (i will also add Huge to that gap word).

Come one Mediatek, WAKE UP, you’re loosing the game here!

I know and i do agree with most you said. Benchmarks are not the most important thing. I still remember the overheating issues on SD810 making it slower (throttling) every time you run a benchmark.

However i am not sure that the Helio x20 will have a better battery life in comparison. SD 820 has 4 cores all custom made (2x slower for most situations and 2x for heavy loading) that can be better to existing arm cores used on X20. Let’s not forget X20 has 10 cores and according to some news it has overheating issues (see latest post on Xiaomi, Meizu and Lenovo scrapping the Helio X20?).

Also the competition is much stronger this time around (SD 650 maybe new but it’s already said it’s better than Helio X10 on battery consumption although being better on benchmarks).

I like competition, i like what mediatek have offered all this time but i just feel that this time around they are not appearing as what they should be in the competition. I liked MT6752 trouncing all the midrange competition a year ago and never liked that they replaced this soc with the much slower 6753. I think they can do better and that they should. I want them around as strong as ever and every smartphone user out there should too.

I know and i do agree with most you said. Benchmarks are not the most important thing. I still remember the overheating issues on SD810 making it slower (throttling) every time you run a benchmark.

However i am not sure that the Helio x20 will have a better battery life in comparison. SD 820 has 4 cores all custom made (2x slower for most situations and 2x for heavy loading) that can be better to existing arm cores used on X20. Let’s not forget X20 has 10 cores and according to some news it has overheating issues (see latest post on Xiaomi, Meizu and Lenovo scrapping the Helio X20?).

Also the competition is much stronger this time around (SD 650 maybe new but it’s already said it’s better than Helio X10 on battery consumption although being better on benchmarks).

I like competition, i like what mediatek have offered all this time but i just feel that this time around they are not appearing as what they should be in the competition. I liked MT6752 trouncing all the midrange competition a year ago and never liked that they replaced this soc with the much slower 6753. I think they can do better and that they should. I want them around as strong as ever and every smartphone user out there should too.

You are likely to be hugely overestimating the perf for Qualcomm’s new cores. All evidence so far suggests they are weaker than A72. Power wise ,we’ll see. They clock 2 cores lower and those should be at about half the power of the high clocked ones so it’s like having only 3 cores at max clocks.That suggests that they aren’t all that good on power either. We’ll have to see what’s what when devices ship but for now Kryo seems a bit weak. Ofc that doesn’t make it bad, just not what you are suggesting.

X20 overheating, anything is possible on 20nm lol, we’ll see. If they can at least clock it at 2.3GHz, it wouldn’t be bad.

On X10 they push the cores to high clocks and yeah battery is not great but X10 is on it’s way out,no point in factoring it anymore. P10 makes more sense and power should be good there.

X20 vs SD20 battery life, too early to say and might depend on usage. But ofc 820 is the higher performing one, just like x20 ,excluding any problems, is better than the SD65x. P10 is nice enough but at a higher price, the SD650 will hurt it and MTK will need to counter that with the X20 or something new with big cores.

Kirin is great because it doesn’t throttle and you get what it’s being advertised. Has it’s kinks and it’s more of a lower high end but should be great if they use it in well priced devices.

X20 is not a competitor for SD820.

A72 being weaker is something that nothing at all has suggested so far, nothing at all.Pls do show anything at all supporting that claim.

P10 vs SD650 : “in your eyes ” makes no sense at all. what the hell is that? In my eyes a 50k $ car is a competitor for a 30k$ car. Can i say that and not be crazy? The other way around can work, if you have a cheaper product that beats a much costlier product but that’s not the case.

on SD652 you are just stuck on your opinion and are disregarding logic.

The Note 3 win is the way SD650 hurts P10 but indirectly. The phone maker makes an extra effort and invests in a better SoC.But that extra effort needs to be made.It relegates the P10 to a lower league but that doesn’t make it a direct competitor. The x20 can do the same to the SD652,if it actually works lol.

lol at your SD820 argument.

sorry m8 but you need to learn a lot more

– Lets start with the basics, diff cores diff clocks each can reach in a phone TDP. or if you want at same per core power.

– Geekbench shows the clocks of the smaller cores, 1.59 for the 2 lower clocked Kryo and 1.4GHz for the 3rd cluster in x20

– In Geekbench don’t look at total, look at each 3 segments: integer, FP and memory. Integer and FP quantify the core if you want while the memory perf is less relevant since not all apps are equally memory heavy. When you compare cores you can somewhat discard the memory score.

So if we take A72 vs Kryo on a similar process

We assume that A72 clocks to 2.5Ghz while Kryo goes to 2.2Ghz in the same power. That’s not certain, on one hand Kryo can only use the equivalent of 3 cores at full clocks in the targeted TDP)they clock 2 of the 4 lower) while A72 might be able to do a bit better with a good implementation.Huawei manages to clock 4 cores at 2.3Ghz with almost no throttling at all but Huawei is not the best at making chips, they still lack experience. We also have no clue if SD820 throttles at all. So, since at this stage we can’t do much better than this, we assume power is equal for Kryo at 2.2Ghz and A72 at 2.5Ghz.

In this case, in Geekbench single threaded Kryo scores about 2.1k in FP and integer. The A72 at 2.5Ghz in the Helio x20 (yes it is on 20nm and because of it just 2 cores but it is the only available result at 2.5Ghz with the newer core revision). scores 2.4k in integer and just under 2k in FP so slightly behind in FP and well ahead in Integer. SD820 does get a crazy high score in memory but that’s less about the core.

In future A72 implementations with DDR4 support we should see better memory scores as well as a small positive impact (from the extra memory perf) on the FP and integer score.

So, assuming equal per core power , in Geekbench A72 wins

Now, geekbench is just 1 CPU benchmark and not everybody favor it. Also some prefer the old school thinking that encryption scores should be excluded from the integer score but imo encryption is gaining importance nowadays and should be factored in, at least to some degree. Note how the memory score distorts the total.http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/5062319?baseline=4630896

For other CPU related benchmarks, it’s a bit difficult, we kinda lack data. Anandtech looked at SD820 in SPECInt but not with the right compiler so it’s rather pointless http://www.anandtech.com/show/9837/snapdragon-820-preview/2

So, all evidence, so far,points to Kryo not beating A72.

Edit:if it helps you in any way SD652 vs x20 http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/4557852?baseline=4630896

If you want to, you can compare Kirin with the SD820 preview http://www.anandtech.com/show/9837/snapdragon-820-preview/3

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9878/the-huawei-mate-8-review/4

With a few major notes. Kirin is at just 2.3GHz and it’s results are a bit weak for the clocks, the device has slow NAND and others are likely to do better.

SD820 in that test is unlikely to be running the shipping software.

I hate the Java benchmarks, if you look at SD820 stock browser vs Chrome , the differences are huge so i don’t see them as relevant benchmarks.

Some of the system wide benchmarks there are not just CPU bound,some include GPU and others. So all in all these benchmarks don’t help that much in finding the winner but it is some extra data.

“Edit:if it helps you in any way SD652 vs x20 http://browser.primatelabs.com…”

The link above is NOT Helio x20 vs SD652 but unforunately it’s Helio x20 vs SD617 (and ofcourse SD617 is much less powered).

http://phoneradar.com/gadgets/phones/tcl/6070y/

(link of the tested phone TCL 6070y specs)

I’ve seen no real SD652 benchmarkes except a page that mentions it scores about 73000 at Antutu (which is wrong as the underpowered SD650 scores 76000). But CPU wise i expect it to be much more powerful than SD650 and slightly better than Helio X20 (which Helio X20 will be “CPU wise” quite better than SD650).

About the Kryo cores we’ll see… So far we’ve only estimating but we’ll certainly know in a couple of weeks. I have no problems with A72 cores to be better, actually i am hoping that!