An Antutu benchmark discovered today shows us the type of specifications to expect for the Meizu Pro 6, but are these specs you expected from the Meizu MX6 instead?
Last year Meizu seemed to have drawn a line between their flagship phones. From what many Meizu fans understood the MX range of devices would remain as the flagship Mediatek powered phones, while the Pro line would feature higher specifications and Samsung processors. The first examples of this were the Meizu MX5 with Mediatek Helio X10 and the Pro 5 with Samsung Exynos chip.
However the lines have blurred once again with the revelation that the next generation Meizu Pro 6 all get a Helio X25, and after today’s Antutu leak a spec close to what we were expecting on the MX6.
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The Antutu benchmark shows the Meizu Pro 6 with a 1920 x 1080 display, 3GB RAM, 32GB memory, 5 mega-pixel front camera, 21 mega-pixel rear, Android 6.0 and a Mediatek MT6797T aka Helio X25 (the X20 with a slight speed boost). The Pro 6 managed to get 99,948 points in the test.
For those who know your Meizu phones you will see that the only update here from the MX5 is the chipset, so once again the update from phone to phone this year from Meizu seems to be quite a small one.
Another change we might see is the absence of laser autofocus and a slightly redesigned body.
What do you think of these Pro 6 specs? are they Pro worthy or should they be on the MX6 instead?
Look at single core integer and FP scores, the memory score just distorts the total http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/5751599?baseline=5751615
GPU vs Mate 8 https://gfxbench.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=gfx40&did1=31491219&os1=Android&api1=gl&hwtype1=GPU&hwname1=ARM+Mali-T880&D2=Huawei+Mate+8+%28NXT-xxx%29
vs the Exynos https://gfxbench.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=gfx40&did1=31491219&os1=Android&api1=gl&hwtype1=GPU&hwname1=ARM+Mali-T880&D2=Samsung+Galaxy+S7+%28Mali-T880%2C+SM-G930x%29
The big question being how much it throttles.
I didn’t know they had charts like that! 🙂 thanks
Wow. Thew memory performance is a shock.
It’s normal not a shock and pretty irrelevant.The Geekbench memory score pretty much scales with the memory bandwidth, unless there is another bottleneck. But the memory perf depends on latency too and actual apps react in very different ways to memory perf.
Then again, you are just trolling.
Shit SoC, shit GPU. Nowhere near a true flagship.
That’s all there is to it.
Not actually true as the GPU is clocked higher than in Kirin 950 and should deliver absolutely playable performance for all current games running 2K res.
Sure, the GPU isn`t as powerful as the Adreno 430 and Mali 760MP8 from last year, but it has a more rich feature set and it won`t have any problems running anything currently on the Android market.
The GPU is clocked lower than Kirin 950. 850mhz for x25 and 900mhz for the Kirin. Go and see the french website frandroid Kirin 950 has insane performance in game better than Samsung S7
It could be, I assumed as much from the tests(showing slightly higher scores on the X25), but no chance that it performs better than the MP12 Version inside the Exynos 8890 or Adreno 530(SD820).
The Exynos 8890 doenst keep fps for a long time so the average is lower than Kirin 950 : http://www.frandroid.com/marques/samsung/347416_performances-galaxy-s7-s7-edge-compares-aux-galaxy-s6-huawei-mate-8
The difference in screen res matters a lot there but , on the other hand, they don’t seem to test it long enough to let the Samsungs cook, they should run the games for 30 mins or more,that’s when you see how low they can go.
Real Racing 3 is launched in FHD for both phone. Only little game are launched in QHD but yes gaming test are more interesting than synthetic
You are right they do say the 2 games are at 1080p and it seems that the Hitman score is not lower for the Samsungs because they don’t use antialiasing for some reason.
So uf Frandroid made no mistakes, the Mate 8 crushes the Exynos, with a 3 times smaller GPU.
In pure theory that depends.
You got 3-3.5W that you can use and how you manage those between CPU, GPU and memory can make a big difference. SD820/Eyynos 8890 throttle up to 40-50% in GFXBench long term perf test but that one is not CPU heavy compared to some games.
Using the small cores more and better managing power in general could push a much smaller GPU ahead of a much bigger GPU.
Ofc we don’t know how much the X25 throttles and chances are it will throttle some but in pure theory it is doable.
How much you get out of Smaller A510 with lower frequencies? & performance is on pair with T880 MP4 @850 MHz.
https://gfxbench.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=gfx40&did1=27447856&os1=Android&api1=gl&hwtype1=GPU&hwname1=Qualcomm+Adreno+%28TM%29+510&D2=Meizu+Pro+6
we’ll see how much the x20/25 throttles
Gfx benchmark is rather light on CPU usage it’s also a little on down side when it comes to Adrenos. The comparation you chose for the throttling is totally inadequate as their are no data at all considering battery life & consistency for Xiaomi Note 6 Pro. Something also isn’t right about that Xiaomi Note 6 Pro score as it scores more than HiSilicon Kirin 950 that is 50 MHz higher clocked so that score is not valid.
Now let’s try to make this a bit more fair.
https://gfxbench.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=gfx40&did1=27447856&os1=Android&api1=gl&hwtype1=GPU&hwname1=Qualcomm+Adreno+%28TM%29+510&D2=Huawei+Mate+8+%28NXT-xxx%29
Now keep in mind that X20 is around 30% less power efficient, lower clocked & cetera compared to HiSilicon Kirin 950.
As the number’s show estimated battery life of Galaxy A9 in T-rex is about 47% more wile delivering 16% less performance. Keep in mind that quality of rendering is higher With Mali driver but Overheads are much better with Adreno driver, personally I think overheads are more important for gaming experience.
So the clear winer is A510 even when compared to T880 higher clocked & based on more advanced lithography.
If you have time try to find a 3D mark complete comparation for as similar as possible phones based on S650 to X20 & S652, crucial is a similar battery capacity & Display technology/size, I don’t have time for it & it would give as clear as possible picture.
lol you started the insanity again, couldn’t you just stay banned?
Just stop putting words in my mouth, claiming i said things i never did and more importantly just stop conversing with me.
I whosent banned, just didn’t want to argue with someone prone & ticked as you… Anyhow I don’t have anything from it.
Wouldn’t like to ban you even if I could. Who would I laugh at then?
However what I did do is I had a good laugh at your comments at EE Times but you didn’t know it’s me.
You always try to do that stunt how horrible terrible I am always when something totally argumented with a facts by me doesn’t fit in your litle fantasy & bold claims.
Well fuck you, it’s a free forum! You don’t like it? Well do a something else in your life. Hopefully something you are better at.
Ah and yes the Kirin has LPDDR4 memory whereas X25 has LPDDR3 which is far slower…
not really.
memory perf depends on bandwidth and latency not just bandwidth. DDR4 has higher bandwidth but loses in latency. it also depends on the app, some apps like bandwidth, some like low latency, some don’t care much about memory perf. As DDR4 gets faster, the benefits will increase.
in this particular case, the Kirin has rather low bandwidth for the memory they are using (DDR4 @ 1333MHz), might be that the old interconnect they are using, just can’t do better.
Scroll down to the memory score http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/5754368?baseline=5753920
GPU’s care just about bandwidth when it comes to it.
GPUs do need BW but there are other factors to consider. T880 does have some neat memory bandwidth saving features, the size of the GPU cache used matters and can help and then, how much memory bandwidth is enough depends a lot on screen res. Hard to say if the GPU here (or in the Kirin) would be held back by the memory BW at 1080p, doesn’t seem so and at 1440p we don’t have any data.
GPU’s simply love a memory bandwidth. You can use Desktop comparation as simple as it is Nv GTX950 have a 128 bit mem bus & smaller bandwidth compared to GTX760 that is 192 bit, even the GTX9xx series have a lot enchanted compression along with improved testilation engine it still in benchmarks for older games that use less testilations isn’t enough for the GTX950 to beat the older GTX760. Think that comparation is transparent enough.
http://www.techspot.com/review/1049-nvidia-geforce-gtx-950/page2.html
lol those 2 have nothing to do with each other, 2 different architectures, different sizes. You compare apples to elephants.
The 950 is Maxwell with 768 shading units, 48 texture mapping units and 32 ROPs.
The 760 is Kepler with 1152 shading units, 96 texture mapping units and 32 ROPs.
If anything you are showing that going with less BW is doable.
Not remotely true, as a high clocked DDR3 has much better latency than a normal clocked DDR4 chip. Memory Latency matters more than clock speeds, but the DDR4 will eventually beat that, when it starts going over 2000Mhz for mobile, but so far that’s not the case.
OK guys thanks for those information
Says the guy who judges everything based on Antutu scores.
“For those who know your Meizu phones you will see that the only update here from the MX5 is the chipset” If the operating system is the same then it really is the same phone just a different variant.
This one will have Flyme based on Android 6.0, the MX5 is still running 5.1.
No fullpower Mini version (like Pro 5 Mini), no-go for me.
http://gizchina.it/2016/03/svelata-la-roadmap-meizu-2016-tutti-modelli-prezzi-specifiche/
This roadmap is incorrect just looking at the Pro 6 specs. Meizu already confirmed they weren’t using the Exnyos.
antutu is garbage particularly the scores, telling me the internals is its ONLY use
How sure are we that is is the Pro 6 and not just the MX6? It seems like the wrong time of year for the Pro variant and there has been literally no news about the MX6 when it is due to launch soon. It seems very strange if this really is the Pro
how likely is it that the pro line will jsut replace the mx line? ~
cost has to be a key factor
Sadly we will all have to wait for April 13 for the PRO 6 official launch in Beijing. In my opinion MNote = Entry level, MX = MID Range, PRO = Flagship. As a Philippine reseller / dealer of mobile phones, the MID always gets the dusty boxes since customers are fine tuned to budget or performance preference. Its not convincing enough to get the MID anymore…
I have been saying since the Pro 5 was released there was no need for two separate phones, they were too close to each other in specs to begin with. I see the Pro being the new and only flagship, the M being the budget and the MX and Metal combined into one midrange device, possible with a Helio P10.
One more 3GB phone. It starts becoming a trend, it’s worrying. I’m not much for crass spec wars, but on a consumption OS (like Android) RAM matters a lot, that’s the 3rd year in a row that RAM stays the same in some flagships. I honestly don’t know what they’re thinking, there are devices at half the cost with more ram…
The MX5 has no issues with 3GB of RAM, there has never been a point where I said this thing needs more RAM. I would rather they spent that money/time on improving things that actually needed it instead of chasing a spec war.
Never said that you specifically needed more ram, all I said is that a flagship should care more about ram than cpu (talking about inane spec wars). Phones are not cpu bottlenecked , so upping the cpu can only help the battery at this point (faster cpu = better perf/watt = better battery) most stuff would remain equally fast/slow if all remains the same.
3GB is too little for a *flagship*!and a fine way to rip off a customer IMO.
BTW you may be happy with how fast your phone is, there were people that were happy with how fast their computers were in 80s, doesn’t mean that a company’s decision to halt the evolution of responsiveness in phones should not be criticised.
Spec wars are inane because at some point they stop making a difference (say going from a 1440p screen to a 4k screen) not because you -personally- may have no use of it.
Upping ram is a long way from stopping making a difference by the way…
By your logic a phone with a MT6735 and 6GB of RAM can call itself a flagship, seeing as RAM is the only Flagship metric to you
It’s not the only one. Obviously other things matter too. For example Elephone P9000 is not a flagship but having one of the important metrics (ram amount) being more than much more expensive phones, *is* a point against them.
The Xiaomi Mi5 only has 3GB is it not a Flagship either?
The cheap version of Mi 5 (you neglected to say) … Even Xiaomi says their flagship is Mi 5 Pro (hence the pricing too).
I think Meizu is alone in this regard. Everybody else has moved on to 4GB or 6GB
They say the Mi5 is their flagship regardless of the version.
Flagship is the best phone of a given company. Right now it’s Mi 5 Pro from Xiaomi and not Xiaomi Mi 5. If they thought of it as being the same phone they would not put the pro moniker.
It’s similarly happens with Meizu, at one point they had both MX 4 and MX 4 Pro (for example). MX 4 Pro was their flagship and MX 4 was its kid brother…
The Mi5 is their flagship line of phones.
Wrong, you could say similar things about Mi 4. But obviously Mi 4i and Mi 4c were not their flagship.
According to Xiaomi, Mi4i was a flagship.
Haha, yeah right. Released a year after Mi4 and worse in many important aspects. At this point let us call Redmi Note a flagship, I mean why not? It’s cheap and I like it, it *must* be a flagship.
To be serious for a bit, typically a new flagship replaces the old one. Mi4i ran in parallel to Mi4, both were being produced at the same time. Nowadays we have Mi 5 pro, Mi 5 and Mi4s. Guess which of the three is the flagship phone of Xiaomi (hint , it’s the most expensive and higher spec’d one).
When Xiaomi released the Mi4i they called it a flagship, you may disagree with that but to them it was one. Mi4i was released in April 2015, the Mi4 was released in August 2014. The Mi4i was a specific product for a specific market, India. And at the time Hugo Barra proclaimed it the flagship of India.
According to Xiaomi themselves the Mi5 is the flagship regardless of what version you get. You personally may not agree with that, but the term flagship is so loosely used in this industry. According to Meizu the MX5 was their flagship last year, the Pro 5 was a specialty phone. Same with the Mi Note Pro for Xiaomi.
A flagship literally means the prime ship of a flotilla. Here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagship
Mi4i or Mi5 (non pro) are none of those. Like I said , if it makes you happy to call it a flagship be my guest, but know that you buy the second (or third or forth, or fifth) best from that company.
Mi4i was the flagship of India because they had legal problems with releasing Mi4, it was a special measure and certainly not a flagship grade phone, it was not even priced as such…
I don’t call it a flagship, XIAOMI does and it is their product so that’s all that matters. And the word Flagship has multiple meanings, including:
“the best or most important thing owned or produced by a particular organization.” In Xiaomi’s case the Mi4i was the “most important” product for their launch in India. The Mi5 is the best product line they currently have available.
For the next 12 days you’re right indeed. By 6th of April Meizu remains one of the the last company that does not care about RAM. Good luck with that…
For all we know Meizu has a 4 (or more) GB model coming out, but it is not needed. 3GB is more than enough.
1GB more enough too (whatever that means). Doesn’t stop Meizu seem like a jacka$$ for trying to cut costs from the one piece of hardware that consistently give better responsiveness. I hope they’d be punished by the customers this year ’round.
Let’s say VERTEE APOLLO !!!
6 GB RAMSSSSSSS YEYYY
Balco you know I would have your back on almost anything on this page…. Jejejeje… Uhmmm except when saying things like “more of this is not needed” ?? then I have to leave you on your own…
Mostly I just like to get a rise out of him, it’s fun to argue with him. But 3GB is more than enough RAM for most people.