Meizu Pro 6 leaks complete with Antutu


meizu pro 6 live photos

Russian tech site mobiltelefon.ru, have some how managed to get their hands on photos of the unreleased Meizu Pro 6 and here are the live photos.

The Meizu Pro 6 is set to launch in just 2 days, but already the cat is out of the bag thanks to Russian phone site mobiltelefon.ru, who have managed to find photos of the upcoming phone via a Ukrainian tipster.

As we can see in the photos the design is unmistakable Meizu, but with the new LED ring, and antenna design on the rear. We can also see that the 3.5mm headphone jack has been moved to the base of the phone and that the Pro 6 has a USB Type C (which might be attached to a fast charging feature).

meizu pro 6 live photos

The all metal body of the phone appears to be thin with a slightly protruding rear camera, and a physical home button (with fingerprint scanner on the chin).

meizu pro 6 live photos

The leaks show us everything from a physical standpoint, but to get in to even more detail Antutu has been ran on this sample confirming some of the hardware features ahead of launch too.

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Meizu Pro 6 Antutu

Among the features that Antutu have proven are a 1920 x 1080 FHD display, 4GB RAM, 32GB internal memory (64GB), Mediatek Helio X25, Android 6.0. The specs also tell us the Meizu Pro 6 has a 21.2 mega-pixel rear camera and 4.9 mega-pixel front camera. As were on Antutu the score of the phone is reading as 91165.

meizu pro 6 live photos

So with all those details out in the open all we need to know now are the battery size, if the phone has SD support or not and how much the Meizu Pro 6 is going to be.

Earlier this month Meizu launch the Meizu M3 Note which offers simlar specs for a much lower price. The M3 Note also has a FHD display, all metal body, and fingerprint scanner, but runs a Helio P10 and 13 mega-pixel main camera.

The M3 Note is already selling well in China and resellers around the web are already offering the phone for international customers from 195.99 Euros for the 16GB version to 221.47 Euros for the 32GB version.

 

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117 Comments

  1. Kanem0chi
    April 11, 2016

    480 Dpi… Means 4.6 inch screen

    I was hoping for a 5.2+ screen… Any clarification from the Russian website Andy?

    • Rayan Vahia
      April 11, 2016

      Well my phone has 5 inch screen and still reports as having 480 dpi in antutu

    • JudikJ7
      April 11, 2016

      It supposes to be a 5.2-inch.
      And the “480dpi’ represents the screen settings dpi not the actual dpi

    • balcobomber25
      April 11, 2016

      That was my thought too but then I ran Antutu on a 5.5 inch phone and got the same 480dpi.

      • Assefa Hanson
        April 11, 2016

        antutu jsut shows us how amazing it is LMAO

        • balcobomber25
          April 11, 2016

          The only benchmark I really pay attention is geekbench but even that I take with a grain of salt.

      • April 11, 2016

        That’s a Mi5. You can see the front on the other photo.

        • balcobomber25
          April 11, 2016

          Good catch I didn’t even notice it in the other photo.

    • ufg
      April 12, 2016

      nah, the DPI is not necessarily correct. The DPI is just a setting to control the size and spacing of the UI. You can change it with root permissions and get more rows or a tablet-like interface if you like. The majority of GFXbench leaks these days read as having 4.6″ screens and then they turn out to be 5.5″ or bigger.

  2. Assefa Hanson
    April 11, 2016

    if only antutu scores meant anything

    • balcobomber25
      April 11, 2016

      Flyme integrates the home button into the OS. It is a multi-functional home button, swipe left to go back, click to go home, long press for voice recognition etc. I really couldn’t imagine using Flyme without the home button.

      • Assefa Hanson
        April 11, 2016

        well if its pivotal i cant fight it

  3. April 11, 2016

    How is the Helio P10 similar to the Helio X25? @Gizchina:disqus please correct that grammar so you dont confuse people.

    I do like the performance of the Meizu Pro 6. The Helio X25 does beat the Snapdragon 820 in the CPU dept though. But the Graphics also is more than any current game will ever need to play fluently.

  4. Reggie
    April 11, 2016

    Waiting for the version with exynos and 6 gb ram

    • balcobomber25
      April 11, 2016

      Keep waiting Meizu said they aren’t using the Exynos this time around because it has limited network support.

  5. Sere83
    April 11, 2016

    Sadly no mention of OIS once again. Don’t get why meizu keep leaving it out. Still nice to see a 5.2 inch handset. I’m definitely considering it for my next phone.

    • balcobomber25
      April 11, 2016

      The camera details do pretty much confirm one thing though, they are using the Sony IMX 230 sensor that was used on the Pro 5.

    • Luai Kamel
      April 11, 2016

      The price should be same as MX line.. Meizu as a name is growing fast, I think they are following Samsung by offering multi phones for all ages/use..

  6. Luai Kamel
    April 11, 2016

    Now I think meizu play dirty smart marketing game.. They will release device at least every four months, considering 5.2 inch phone .. Now this device is targeting xiaomi mi5 and iPhone SE , maybe they will poll back MX release for high-end 5.5 inch or maybe replacing it with 5.7 inch .

  7. The Special Juan
    April 11, 2016

    Is this enough of an upgrade to trade up my mx5? Will. Wait for the rest view of this and the p9…

  8. Kanem0chi
    April 11, 2016

    480 Dpi… Means 4.6 inch screen

    I was hoping for a 5.2+ screen… Any clarification from the Russian website Andy?

    • Rayan Vahia
      April 11, 2016

      Well my phone has 5 inch screen and still reports as having 480 dpi in antutu

    • JudikJ7
      April 11, 2016

      It supposes to be a 5.2-inch.
      And the “480dpi’ represents the screen settings dpi not the actual dpi

    • balcobomber25
      April 11, 2016

      That was my thought too but then I ran Antutu on a 5.5 inch phone and got the same 480dpi.

      It looks like that is a Mi5 laying face down in the picture (but could be the Mi Note they have the same rear design and camera layout). If it is then it is at least 5.2.

    • Assefa Hanson
      April 11, 2016

      antutu jsut shows us how amazing it is LMAO

    • MUG3NHC
      April 11, 2016

      That’s a Mi5. You can see the front on the other photo.

    • balcobomber25
      April 12, 2016

      Good catch I didn’t even notice it in the other photo.

    • balcobomber25
      April 12, 2016

      The only benchmark I really pay attention is geekbench but even that I take with a grain of salt.

    • ufg
      April 12, 2016

      nah, the DPI is not necessarily correct. The DPI is just a setting to control the size and spacing of the UI. You can change it with root permissions and get more rows or a tablet-like interface if you like. The majority of GFXbench leaks these days read as having 4.6″ screens and then they turn out to be 5.5″ or bigger.

  9. Assefa Hanson
    April 11, 2016

    if only antutu scores meant anything, looks good to me but i just dont like fingerprint home buttons

    • balcobomber25
      April 11, 2016

      While I despise Antutu this is one instance in where it is actually useful, the score means nothing but the specs at least confirm some details.

      Flyme integrates the home button into the OS. It is a multi-functional home button, swipe left to go back, click to go home, long press for voice recognition etc. I really couldn’t imagine using Flyme without the home button.

    • Assefa Hanson
      April 11, 2016

      well if its pivotal i cant fight it

  10. Michael Ogbonnaya
    April 11, 2016

    How is the Helio P10 similar to the Helio X25? @Gizchina:disqus please correct that grammar so you dont confuse people.

    I do like the performance of the Meizu Pro 6. The Helio X25 does beat the Snapdragon 820 in the CPU dept though. But the Graphics also is more than any current game will ever need to play fluently.

  11. Guest
    April 11, 2016

    Waiting for the version with exynos and 6 gb ram

    • balcobomber25
      April 11, 2016

      Keep waiting Meizu said they aren’t using the Exynos this time around because it has limited network support.

  12. Sere83
    April 11, 2016

    Sadly no mention of OIS once again. Don’t get why meizu keep leaving it out. Still nice to see a 5.2 inch handset. I’m definitely considering it for my next phone.

    • balcobomber25
      April 11, 2016

      The camera details do pretty much confirm one thing though, they are using the Sony IMX 230 sensor that was used on the Pro 5.

    • Luai Kamel
      April 11, 2016

      The price should be same as MX line.. Meizu as a name is growing fast, I think they are following Samsung by offering multi phones for all ages/use..

  13. Luai Kamel
    April 11, 2016

    Now I think meizu play dirty smart marketing game.. They will release device at least every four months, considering 5.2 inch phone .. Now this device is targeting xiaomi mi5 and iPhone SE , maybe they will poll back MX release for high-end 5.5 inch or maybe replacing it with 5.7 inch .

  14. balcobomber25
    April 11, 2016

    Assuming this is real it has one major advantage over the Mi5, the black borders aren’t ridiculous on the white version.

  15. The Special Juan
    April 12, 2016

    Is this enough of an upgrade to trade up my mx5? Will. Wait for the rest view of this and the p9…

  16. Karly Johnston
    April 12, 2016

    That GPU score is less than the X10… how sad.

  17. Mr.Flying Zoom3rz
    April 12, 2016

    Price, tell me the price! 😀

  18. David Košič
    April 12, 2016

    I will be honest I will be disappointed if their pro version comes out with a mediatek chip.

    • balcobomber25
      April 12, 2016

      Prepare to be disappointed then lol.

  19. realjjj
    April 12, 2016

    Disappointing so far.Huge bezels AMOLED, 2560mAh, no microSD.Will sell well enough to people that are distracted by shiny things.

    • balcobomber25
      April 12, 2016

      I would much rather those “huge” (but not so much) bezels than the huge black borders on the Mi5. And where do you see any mention of battery life?

      • April 12, 2016

        Here.
        This is from that Russian website mentioned in the article.
        2500mah would be a huge disappointment…

        • Guaire
          April 12, 2016

          It will be fine if it has a 4.7″ screen.

          • April 12, 2016

            I need to have 6h+ sot on my phones, so doubt it;)

            • Guaire
              April 12, 2016

              Good luck with that quest 🙂

            • April 12, 2016

              Cheers;)
              Right now I’m using a Redmi Note 3 SD650 version. I usually get 7-8h sot.

        • balcobomber25
          April 12, 2016

          Yes it would which makes me question the validity of this, as well as the camera bump someone else noticed.

  20. balcobomber25
    April 12, 2016

    Assuming this is real (I have been burned by too many fakes in the past) it has two major advantages over the Mi5, the black borders aren’t ridiculous on the white version and the home button doesn’t look out of place. The home button on the Mi5 looks terrible (and I love home buttons), almost like it was added in at the last minute.

  21. Guaire
    April 12, 2016

    Judging by audio jack and USB Type-C port it looks like a very small phone. Seems to me even smaller than iPhone 6s at every dimension.

    • balcobomber25
      April 12, 2016

      Judging by the reference phone which is a Mi5, it is at least 5.2 inches.

    • realjjj
      April 12, 2016

      It’s very big for 5.2 inch at 147.7 x70.8 x 7.25mm , 160g.
      The Galaxy S7 is 142.4 x 69.6 x 7.9 mm and they don’t even try to maximize the screen to body ratio.
      Meizu is yet again copying Apple. Big upper and lower bezels and small battery to enable a thin phone because people whine about battery life but they go and buy thin phones. Samsung started copying this in 2015, Xiaomi this year with the MI5, it’s an epidemy lol.

      • Guaire
        April 12, 2016

        Yeah, that too large chin and forehead pretty much like Apple style along with not a small list of other details.

        The body isn’t thin enough to be an excuse even for that battery.

        Also it’s too heavy without a large battery.

        • realjjj
          April 12, 2016

          That all might be because of the pressure touch. We don’t know what they are using but if it’s similar to what Apple is using, the display would be thicker and 15-20 grams heavier.

  22. Nolan
    April 12, 2016

    Lol @ the score – mind you, this is a AnTuTu version 6 score.
    Pathetic is an understatement.

    195.99 Euros should fetch nothing less than 130,000 on AnTuTu v6.
    This is basically a disaster, no matter the argument against AnTuTu.

    The difference from scores of current flagships is way too high, and even in an absolute sense, the score is shockingly low for AnTuTu v6.

    The X20 was meant to be the undisputed king on every front, even when it comes to synthetics – and this one is fitted with a speed bumbed X25 – which is as disappointing as Trump’s speeches……

    • Guaire
      April 12, 2016

      Right now even for the people who cares Antutu (v6), expecting nothing less than 130K for 196 euros at reseller shops is just a wishful thinking. It might be possible next year. BTW that price belongs to the M3 Note.

      X20/25 wasn’t meant to be the undisputed king on every front for sure. To do that they would put in it 4-6 cores of Cortex-A72 at CPU and at least either 12-16 cores of Mali-T880 or PowerVR GT7800 at GPU. It would support LPDDR4 RAM and UFS storage and it would manufactured at 14/16nm FinFET. In that case the SoC alone would be at least twice as expensive and faster RAM and storage would make the handsets which contains it even more costly.

      Its predecessor wasn’t meant to be the undisputed king too, moreover considering leaked specs of its successor isn’t meant to be the undisputed king too.

      So far Helio X line chips meant to be cost-effective upper mid-range/slightly behind than high-end chips.

      • Nolan
        April 12, 2016

        You are 100% right and I stand corrected. I always felt (going by the hype of last year) that the X20/X25 were being made to make the SD820 and the Exynos 8890 look like low-end cheapo processors.

        Turns out not.

        • realjjj
          April 12, 2016

          Play a real game on SD820 for more than 10mins and monitor the GPU clocks and FPS. You’ll see then what you are really getting, a marketing GPU. The GPU will quickly overheat and drop clocks from 624MHz to 214MHz (or from 650 to 261 for Exynos) and all that perf is gone.

          • Nolan
            April 12, 2016

            But wasn’t Helio X20, with the decacore setup, meant to be some 300% faster (if I’m recalling 2015 projections correctly) than the SD 820 / 823 and the Exynos 8890, both in real world tests and synthetics?

            The expected score on AnTuTu v5 for the X20 was 90,000+ and the AnTuTu v6 expected score should likely have been 140,000+ as baseline scores: Meaning, with badly optimized roms and phones in beta, and the actual scores should have been even higher when optimized.

            I’m wondering why such a drastic deviation from the projections?

            • highwind
              April 12, 2016

              Antutu v6 completely overvalues single core performance and GPU performance…

              Thats why unreasonable SOCs like SD820 or Apple A9 get ridiculously high scores

    • highwind
      April 12, 2016

      A Redmi Note 3 with 3/32GB is about 190€ and “only” gets about 75k in Antutu (which is still faster than any sane person could reasonably ask for…)

  23. Karly Johnston
    April 12, 2016

    That GPU score is less than the X10.

  24. Mr.Flying Zoom3rz
    April 12, 2016

    Price, tell me the price! 😀

  25. David Košič
    April 12, 2016

    I will be honest I will be disappointed if their pro version comes out with a mediatek chip.

    • balcobomber25
      April 12, 2016

      Prepare to be disappointed then lol.

  26. realjjj
    April 12, 2016

    Disappointing so far.Huge bezels AMOLED, 2560mAh, no microSD.Will sell well enough to people that are distracted by shiny things.

    • balcobomber25
      April 12, 2016

      I would much rather those “huge” (but not so much) bezels than the huge black borders on the Mi5. And where do you see any mention of battery life?

    • MUG3NHC
      April 12, 2016

      Here.
      This is from that Russian website mentioned in the article.
      2500mah would be a huge disappointment…

    • Guaire
      April 12, 2016

      It will be fine if it has a 4.7″ screen.

    • MUG3NHC
      April 12, 2016

      I need to have 6h+ sot on my phones, so doubt it;)

    • Guaire
      April 12, 2016

      Good luck with that quest 🙂

    • MUG3NHC
      April 12, 2016

      Cheers;)
      Right now I’m using a Redmi Note 3 SD650 version. I usually get 7-8h sot.

    • balcobomber25
      April 12, 2016

      Yes it would which makes me question the validity of this, as well as the camera bump someone else noticed.

  27. erictheking87
    April 12, 2016

    How do you know it has no microSD? on gizmochina they also wrote that it has no microsd, but here they wrote they don’t know.
    For me if it has got better audio specs than Pro 5 (I seriously hope for it), then no microSD would be a killer.
    Because if I want so good audio specs (with ESS stuff) than I would also want to have my music in at least mp3 320kbps or even lossless flacs.
    I would be a real letdown with no microSD…

  28. Alexis T
    April 12, 2016

    This camera isn’t consistent with Meizu advertising released yesterday on weibo : “They talk to you about many MP’s (Megapixels) but they don’t tell you how much the lens will be protruding”.

    And they’re using in their PRO 6 an old 21MP IMX230, protruding from the shell ? WTF ?

    • balcobomber25
      April 12, 2016

      Which could mean this is a fake.

      • Alexis T
        April 12, 2016

        That’s what i was thinking too : this ukrainian leak in a russian website about a chinese phone smells no good ^^

        • balcobomber25
          April 12, 2016

          Also looking closely at the flash ring it looks different than Meizu’s press images. In Meizu’s images it is a polished metal, in this one it is very grainy and almost like a sandstone.

          • Alexis T
            April 13, 2016

            damn! we were wrong ^^
            I think i was secretly hoping the best for this phone and couldn’t see the horrible truth : PRO 6 is crappy and Meizu’s advertising is lame.
            Still waiting for another phone to throw my Find 7A away -_-

            • balcobomber25
              April 13, 2016

              I wouldn;t say it’s crappy yet, still need some reviews of it. I am definitely not excited for it’s release but like all phones I’ll give it a chance to impress.

  29. Guaire
    April 12, 2016

    Judging by audio jack and USB Type-C port it looks like a very small phone. Seems to me even smaller than iPhone 6s at every dimension.

    • balcobomber25
      April 12, 2016

      Judging by the reference phone which is a Mi5, it is at least 5.2 inches.

    • Guaire
      April 12, 2016

      Judging by the Mi5 is not really possible because of perspective.

      Look at how it looks comparison to 6s and 6s Plus when normalized by audio jack.

      You can measure the width of the device judging by its audio jack and USB Type-C port.

    • balcobomber25
      April 12, 2016

      And look how the Mi5 compares to the 6S from that same view. The 6S (Gold) looks bigger despite it’s smaller screen.

    • Guaire
      April 12, 2016

      I think I couldn’t judge which one is wider with this shot, though I could argue that 6s looks narrower.

    • realjjj
      April 12, 2016

      It’s very big for 5.2 inch at 147.7 x70.8 x 7.25mm , 160g.
      The Galaxy S7 is 142.4 x 69.6 x 7.9 mm and they don’t even try to maximize the screen to body ratio. In 2013, the LG 2 was 138.5 x 70.9 x 8.9 mm with 5.2 inch screen.
      Meizu is yet again copying Apple. Big upper and lower bezels and small battery to enable a thin phone because people whine about battery life but they go and buy thin phones. Samsung started copying this in 2015, Xiaomi this year with the MI5, it’s an epidemy lol.
      http://news.mydrivers.com/1/477/477902.htm

    • Guaire
      April 12, 2016

      Yeah, that too large chin and forehead pretty much like Apple style along with not a small list of other details.

      The body isn’t thin enough to be an excuse even for that battery.

      Also it’s too heavy without a large battery.

    • realjjj
      April 12, 2016

      That all might be because of the pressure touch. We don’t know what they are using but if it’s similar to what Apple is using, the display would be thicker and 15-20 grams heavier.

  30. Guest
    April 12, 2016

    Lol @ the score – mind you, this is a AnTuTu version 6 score.
    Pathetic is an understatement.

    195.99 Euros should fetch nothing less than 130,000 on AnTuTu v6.
    This is basically a disaster, no matter the argument against AnTuTu.

    The difference from scores of current flagships is way too high, and even in an absolute sense, the score is shockingly low for AnTuTu v6.

    The X20 was meant to be the undisputed king on every front, even when it comes to synthetics – and this one is fitted with a speed bumbed X25 – which is as disappointing as Trump’s speeches……

    • Guaire
      April 12, 2016

      Right now even for the people who cares Antutu (v6), expecting nothing less than 130K for 196 euros at reseller shops is just a wishful thinking. It might be possible next year. BTW that price belongs to the M3 Note.

      X20/25 wasn’t meant to be the undisputed king on every front for sure. To do that they would put in it 4-6 cores of Cortex-A72 at CPU and at least either 12-16 cores of Mali-T880 or PowerVR GT7800 at GPU. It would support LPDDR4 RAM and UFS storage and it would manufactured at 14/16nm FinFET. In that case the SoC alone would be at least twice as expensive and faster RAM and storage would make the handsets which contains it even more costly.

      Its predecessor wasn’t meant to be the undisputed king too, moreover considering leaked specs of its successor isn’t meant to be the undisputed king too.

      So far Helio X line chips meant to be cost-effective upper mid-range/slightly behind than high-end chips.

    • Guest
      April 12, 2016

      You are 100% right and I stand corrected. I always felt (going by the hype of last year) that the X20/X25 were being made to make the SD820 and the Exynos 8890 look like low-end cheapo processors.

      Turns out not.

    • realjjj
      April 12, 2016

      Play a real game on SD820 for more than 10mins and monitor the GPU clocks and FPS. You’ll see then what you are really getting, a marketing GPU. The GPU will quickly overheat and drop clocks from 624MHz to 214MHz (or from 650 to 261 for Exynos) and all that perf is gone.

    • Guest
      April 12, 2016

      But wasn’t Helio X20, with the decacore setup, meant to be some 300% faster (if I’m recalling 2015 projections correctly) than the SD 820 / 823 and the Exynos 8890, both in real world tests and synthetics?

      The expected score on AnTuTu v5 for the X20 was 90,000+ and the AnTuTu v6 expected score should likely have been 140,000+ as baseline scores: Meaning, with badly optimized roms and phones in beta, and the actual scores should have been even higher when optimized.

      I’m wondering why such a drastic deviation from the projections?

    • provokanter TabellenfĂźhrer
      April 12, 2016

      A Redmi Note 3 with 3/32GB is about 190€ and “only” gets about 75k in Antutu (which is still faster than any sane person could reasonably ask for…)

    • provokanter TabellenfĂźhrer
      April 12, 2016

      Antutu v6 completely overvalues single core performance and GPU performance…

      Thats why unreasonable SOCs like SD820 or Apple A9 get ridiculously high scores

  31. fido futte
    April 12, 2016

    There is something wrong here??-the X25 should be faster than the X20 and the X20 gives around 98.000 point with 2K screen in Android 6.0. ???

    • balcobomber25
      April 12, 2016

      There is a lot of inconsistencies people are starting to notice with this. The camera is sticking out whereas Meizu said it would be flush. The battery seems incredibly small for a 2016 device, especially compared to past Meizu models. This is starting to look like a fake more and more.

      • Sere83
        April 12, 2016

        Looks legit to me, phone looks exactly the same as official meizu image.

  32. NextHype
    April 12, 2016

    This camera isn’t consistent with Meizu advertising released yesterday on weibo : “They talk to you about many MP’s (Megapixels) but they don’t tell you how much the lens will be protruding”.

    And they’re using in their PRO 6 an old 21MP IMX230, protruding from the shell ? WTF ?

    • balcobomber25
      April 12, 2016

      Which could mean this is a fake.

    • NextHype
      April 12, 2016

      That’s what i was thinking too : this ukrainian leak in a russian website about a chinese phone smells no good ^^

    • balcobomber25
      April 12, 2016

      Also looking closely at the flash ring it looks different than Meizu’s press images. In Meizu’s images it is a polished metal, in this one it is very grainy and almost like a sandstone.

    • NextHype
      April 13, 2016

      damn! we were wrong ^^
      I think i was secretly hoping the best for this phone and couldn’t see the horrible truth : PRO 6 is crappy and Meizu’s advertising is lame.
      Still waiting for another phone to throw my Find 7A away -_-

    • balcobomber25
      April 13, 2016

      I wouldn;t say it’s crappy yet, still need some reviews of it. I am definitely not excited for it’s release but like all phones I’ll give it a chance to impress.

  33. fido futte
    April 12, 2016

    There is something wrong here??-the X25 should be faster than the X20 and the X20 gives around 98.000 point with 2K screen in Android 6.0. ???

    • balcobomber25
      April 12, 2016

      There is a lot of inconsistencies people are starting to notice with this. The camera is sticking out whereas Meizu said it would be flush. The battery seems incredibly small for a 2016 device, especially compared to past Meizu models. This is starting to look like a fake more and more.

    • Sere83
      April 12, 2016

      Looks legit to me, phone looks exactly the same as official meizu image.

  34. Steven Fox
    April 13, 2016

    3D score is even worse than the Kirin 950, Meizu can`t hope to compete with this device at over 350$ price point.
    Are Meizu going the way of the HTC?

  35. Steven Fox
    April 13, 2016

    3D score is even worse than the Kirin 950, Meizu can`t hope to compete with this device at over 350$ price point.
    Are Meizu going the way of the HTC?