ZUK have seen stock of their ZUK Z2 Pro Ultimate dry up in just 4 minutes this morning, leaving plenty of unhappy fans waiting for the next round of sales.
Priced at 2699 Yuan, the ZUK Z2 Pro Ultimate is the phone that many people are hoping to get their hands on these days, after all this is a phone with Snapdragon 820 chipset, and 6GB RAM, 128GB memory and a suite of health sensors at just half the price of the similar spec’d Vivo Xplay 5.
Gizchina News of the week
Launched a few weeks ago, sales of the Z2 Pro started today with the first batch proving so popular that all phones gone in only 4 minutes. While ZUK were happy with the speed of sales, fans weren’t and have questioned the company over the amount of stock they had prepared for the sale.
Making phones in limited numbers and releasing them in batches is a very good way to keep manufacturing costs down for new phone makers, but as we have seen today (and in the past) it’s not the best way to keep your core users happy.
The next round of ZUK Z2 Pro sales will begin on 31st May.
Is phones sounds too good to be true. Definitely would like one, however I would like to clear,clarify one thing.
What is the truth behind spyware and certain chinese brands uploading peoples info to their servers ?
That their is much less Spyware there then their is in well known traditional branded phones from traditional western orientated manufacturers. Naturally those contain NSA Spyware & backdoors.
NSA spywares shouldn’t be a problem for non-terrorists and non-activists users as they aren’t potential targets. But we don’t know what chinese companies listing may become, or in which hands it could fall ^^
Really? It’s not a problem if it comes from worst nation ever that did worse war crimes, genocide used all forbidden weapons from A bomb, caset bombs with with fosfor, napalm, uranium shells… Along with biological and chemical weapons & never ever whose broth to justice for any of those. But it is horrible if it comes from much more piceful nation that had its much more peaceful nature in printed deep in its culture.
If we put all of that besides it’s also OK that rights & privacy of individuals don’t wort a shit because who to fuck are them & what a fuck who believes in those so cold Democratic ideals today anyway.
Looks like we live in a very grim world today anyhow at least when you put it like that.
Unless you got tons of oil burried deep inside your garden or millions of members in your family willing to buy (or sell) weapons, i don’t think your personal informations are of great interest for NSA, even if they’re the bad guys.
Chinese companies may have corrupted members who will sell the company database for money, as I think they may have less control over the employees in China.
But that’s just a wild bet.
I have a lot of drinking water buried in my garden. They also don’t need to be personally used the geo tags can be used tomorrow for performing more precise triangulation for guided what ever you want. Your personal biometric data can be used for personal control. At the end I wanted actually to point out that no matter are my personal data of any importance to any National Security Agency they certainly have my own personal importance in my own personal intimacy & probably everyone will agree with it. That’s one of my basic human rights. I don’t know not even on single person what wouldn’t be pretty much pissed off if he (she) catches you dining trough it’s own personal intimate stuff.
Yes their is a lot of corruption in China but at the end it all ends up in government/state hand’s.
In the US their is a death penalty for those who commit well treason of government secrets. So far as much as I know there whose two sentences like that both of greedy US citizens who did it for the money & not some high ideology or other reasons. So think again how the things go in the land of opportunity.
At the end listen to my favorite NSA song if you want that is.
We Are In Control performed by Neil Young & his band The Crazy Horse on the albume Space Cowboys. ????
Best of luck mate.
“they certainly have my own personal importance in my own personal intimacy & probably everyone will agree with it”
C’mon… check how ppl share their intimacy on Facebook, that’s hilarious (or saddening, depends on pov).
Projects such as COINTELPRO are waaaay easier nowadays, thanks to internet 2.0 😉
BTW everyone concerned should flash stock android after buying a chinese phone…
Intimacy is not a fucking sex thing you know. Intimacy is adequate for all of those moments that you have & are your own personal, hidden that you want to keep for your self as they define you because they mean a lot to you a moment of happiness, sorrow…
Lazar Prodanovic, excellent come backs. Would’ve loved to get involved but unfortunately read this section too late. Don’t be surprised by balcos knowledge, in america educational institutions are owned by businesses, “education” is manipulated for greater agendas. When you break the news to Americans they’re reply is always humorous. Patriotic individuals are like a disease.
Not always. The list I represent is actually a copy of the list that whose originally made by the American profesor of political science but he whole shortly silenced after that & original list disappeared in to thin air. So much about about constitutional right of freedom of speech along with press freedom along with it.
If I may… you should read Gore Vidal and Noam Chomsky about US history and how to replace it in broader historical context.
Except I studied all over the world including in Australia, Thailand, China, England and India. So I guess that proves you wrong. Wanna try again?
Even stock Android isn’t necessarily safe. There are rumors of Google selling off data to the government. Anyone who is really concerned should limit the personal data they keep on their phone.
That’s more than a rumor, according to Snowden !
You’re right, stock android isn’t 100% safe, but it’s the safest mobile OS right now, unless you go for Ubuntu, since chinese versions aren’t safe and Apple / Microsoft are giving informations to gvt agencies as well.
I was just pointing out the fact that NSA won’t become interested in a citizen’s personnal data unless this citizen has “suspicious” activities, based on a list of “suspicious” activities which is consantly growing, i’m aware of that too.
You’re also right on the personal data part too, since we can’t fully get rid of piracy thru key logging and packet sniffing. That’s why i never use my phone to log into my bank account…
I have used virtually every Chinese UI, majority of them are safe, in fact most of the times when they are not safe it’s a result of a reseller loading spyware or malware onto the device not the OEM.
But like you said the NSA, CIA, Chinese Government, MI6 etc doesn’t give two shits about average Joe citizen using his smartphone. If you aren’t on any government watch lists you have little to worry about. Now if you live in a country on when of their watch lists (like Syria at the moment) then you should be taking every step possible to guard your privacy.
I can think of a lot worse nations. Countries where people are killed for being the wrong religion or having the wrong skin color. Countries where men are allowed to beat, rape and kill woman with little punishment. Countries where children are forced into being soldiers or slave workers. But this isn’t about politics it’s about Zuk, so let’s get back to phones.
If you look back at the US history you will find all of things you mentioned their & for most of those things you won’t need to go far back either.
One thing is certain this is not about politics & that actually whosent my intention anyhow me by a little promotion of human & individual rights, it’s about Zuk & I give you credits on that. It does look a little empty up on the front side along with that upper & down side could had been a bit smaller & actually physical button culd had been a litle less cubic don’t you think? All do all of those are details.
If you look back at the history of China, Germany, France, Italy and dozens of other nations you will find the same thing some extending further back than the US even existed. The events I described though are actually happening today. There are much worse places to live than the US.
So did I. Peple are still dying today from radiation poisoning in Iraq or Bosnia or Serbia & geting born with severe genetic deviations in Japan non of who had anything to do with it. Neither nor any other country have legacy like that behind!
Revisionist history at it’s finest mixed with some great ignorance. Let’s ignore the genocides that was going on in each one of those countries. Let’s ignore the chemical attacks like Halabaja that Saddam carried out against his own people. Let’s ignore the genocide that took place in Srebrenica. Let’s also ignore the fact that in both of those conflicts there was a coalition of countries that performed both ground and air attacks including Canada, Australia and most of the major European Nations. Let’s also act like Japan was completely innocent in WW2 and didn’t attack Pearl Harbor unprovoked. Keep in mind the US had no interest in WW2 before that attack. Much easier to just blame the US for all the world’s problems. I am sure life was perfect for Iraqi’s under Saddam’s rule, especially those that were Kurdish…
You just couldn’t let it go didn’t you?
I didn’t ignore anything just correct facts so let’s do go in order you used.
I don’t know about Saddam chemical attack, you will have to elaborate that one to me, what I did know it that they didn’t find any of those advanced biological weapons that whare used for excuse for strike, they did find bunch of old chemical weapons. Genocide is extermination of whole one nation to the point that their number is so small that they can’t be considered like a nation any more, so their couldn’t be a genocide that what happened in Srebrenica, how ever it whose a war crime against mainly war prisoner’s all do their also whose & civilians executed. All in all in numbers under 5K & today their is more Bosnian Muslims in number then their whose before war & less of all others, again this whose used as excuse for military strike. Only real genocide in relatively newer history whose one conducted on real native American Indians & they even used plainly biological weapons to finish them of, blankets infected with small pox & all of this is well documented. EU & other actors didn’t had nor used depleted uranium shells.
Beyond reasonable doubt it whose known that Japan will capitulate after first A bomb whose dropped but they had to go with another one. In fact it whose so obvious that they did had to blame someone. Do you know who took the blame? They convicted a pilot of the second bomber even he whose just plane regular solder who followed order’s. Also most of US military personal that did operate in Iraq on tanks that used uranium shells later died from cancer that whose direct consequence of radiation poisoning as someone forgot to mention them that they need to operate with full radiation protection suits all the time. & I won’t ignore that & neither should anyone.
If you think one military base that whose bombarded is enough to justify bombardment & burning to the ground of every larger city in Japan then I don’t have words about you. Just to remind you Cities are mostly civilians & in military base are mostly military personnel. As the Attack on Pearl Harbor whosent enough justification at the end they made a propaganda movies about how Japanese actually wanted to take Australia & reason is so that they can get resources they lacked. Naturally this doesn’t make any sense to anyone with at least some brain’s. Funniest part is they still show those movies on decommissioned vessels that are used as war navy museums today.
Do the people in Iraq or those Kurds or peple at Libya or anywhere else for that matter live much better today? Do you think that Croats & Muslims in Bosnia also don’t die from that same radiation poisoning? I culd actually go for days like this & not because I personally hate Americans all that much (I don’t hate peple at all & I like moder culture) but because there are so much examples.
It’s not my to blame Americans nor do I have any intention to do that it’s up to American people to blame & change behavior of their political leadership & politics in the future.
I could have let it go until you started with your whole “US is the Devil and responsible for everything” propaganda.
You don’t know about Sadam’s Chemical attacks? Here you go read up on it.
http://www.ibtimes.com/25-years-after-worst-chemical-weapon-massacre-history-saddam-husseins-attack-halabja-iraq-city
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2016/03/remembering-halabja-chemical-attack-160316061221074.html
– According to the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia, what happened in Srebrenica was in fact a genocide.
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/03/world/judge-s-words-cleansing-became-genocide.html?scp=6&sq=srebrenica%20genocide%20krstic%202001&st=cse
You really believe your own BS that the only “real” Genocide was the American Indians? Guess you missed the period in Germany from 1933-1945. Or in Rwanda, Ottoman Empire, Cambodia, Burundi, Bangladesh and is still happening throughout Africa. Maybe you should invest in a history book.
I don’t claim the US is innocent in anything, they have a lot of skeletons in their closest especially in Japan. But for you to sit there and spew all this revisionist history is absolutely laughable. I don’t know where you went to school but you’re history classes failed you. The US has done a lot of bad in this world, but they also do a lot of good. How many foreign governments are funded by the US? How many billions of dollars does the US invest in developing nations? I travel around the world for work and I have been to dozens of countries where people are living on dirt floors and don’t have access to food or clean water because their governments are so corrupt. You have a very delusional view of the world if you think the US is the worst nation.
First of all genocide is when one whole racial, political, or cultural group is systematically deliberately destroyed to the measure that it can not recover. Everything else culd be characterized as a try to make genocide if it contains all the elements of it. So there ware a lot of tries of genocide from Nazis one over Judith peple to the one Turks tried over Armenians, there are also examples when one nation had so big loses that it almost ended up extinct like Serbs in the first world War when they lost over 50% of the melee reproductive population or Russian loses in the second world War but it still doesn’t make it a genocide because those ethnic groups or national ones suriwed & preserved they culture in the large enough number to carry on & make it up again. There are other historical examples but they are rather old & aren’t documented as for example Semerians. If killing of over a 1M of Armenians & not selectively including women & children is not characterized as genocide & killing of under 5000 of which more than 90% belong to the meele population between 17 to 60 year’s that had been in active military service & ware considered as prisoners of war then ok let it be meanwhile when Israel did worse things in Gaza they only got a applause followed with: financial, logistical & direct military aid so that they can do it even more effective next time I guess. But make no mistake Srebrenica whose a horrible war crime!
US never ever really wanted independent nor developing countries that’s why delivery destroy every try of something like that. What they did want whose & is a nice network of satellites & naturally they did finance based on their interests & pretty much not anything else.
Again why we are having this conversation again?
By your definition there is no such thing as genocide then. There are still over 5 millions American Indians living in the world. By the real world definition of genocide: “the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation.” All of those classify. We are having this conversation because you seem to be under the false pretense that the US is the worst nation in the world.
Estimate goes from 1 to 8M, native Americans make 0.9% of population In the US, In 1950’s their whose only 0.2 this certainly is a large grow so their at least is still a hope…
Source:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States
Still this is at very low level for the peple that once made for 100% of population.
Then again by the way you look at it their whose so much of Genocide so I would like to hear you actually say jes we did it over the… But then again going to happen ever Is it? Now I don’t think that their is anything good from stigmatizing anyone nor making a victim or executioner from anyone. I also think that making a collective blame on anyone is a very bad thing.
Still those individuals who ware responsible should be accordingly punished. I don’t see things as black and white nor good & bad in its grayed out traditional sense. Fact is no one ever really whose ever punished for thing’s he whose responsible from the US & this practice is there to long to be acceptable. Do you really think that Americans are superior, above everyone & anything how that actually makes all of those things that you know are wrong OK because it whose done for some greater good that somehow always slips the common sense? Well actually that whose essence of Nazis ideology.
I will ask just one more thing. Are their peple that live in US & are US citizens that live in extreme poverty and under the conditions of human dignity? How much their is of those in %? Where do they live? Don’t worry I do know answer’s. So wouldn’t be lovely that US stops so called helping to all of us poor beggars of the world & instead help their own peple? We would certainly appreciate it.
Wikipedia isn’t exactly the most reliable source. The National Congress of American Indians puts the population at 2.9 million that are 100% American Indian and 5.2 million mixed race. There are thousands of groups that used to be 100% of the population of a specific country or region that aren’t anymore due to migration, wars and tragedies. You still seem to think the only place this happened was the US. You also seem to ignore that a large part of the killing of American Indians happened before the US was an actual country. The Spanish Conquistadors alone were responsible for over 500,000 deaths of Native Americans. France, the Netherlands, Spain and England were responsible for millions of Native American deaths in their colonization efforts. Again open a history a book.
According the to the CIA Factbook, the USA has roughly 15.1% of the population living below the poverty line. Other countries at or above 15% are Germany, United Kingdom, Morocco, Belgium
The one that had poverty rate under 2% & now it’s over 30%.
So basically around 47M peple live in poverty in US of which 21M live in extreme poverty. That is a pretty much peple don’t you think? So how can US actually resolve this issues in other countries if it can’t in its own?
I am well aware what happened during colonization of America & what conquistadors & company did. But I am also well aware how their is much more of the Indian population alive and with well preserved culture in other countries on the continent.
OK take your time convincing me wrong as the list is actually largest ever.
http://www.the-philosopher.co.uk/whocares/popups/warcrimes.htm
You how ever did convinced me how Srebrenica whose a genocide.
That makes a large list with rather conservative estimates of victims that you will find on that page app sites where US made genocide as; their whare; planed, on larger scale, with more casualties & bigger rate of civilian & other non military personnel…
If you ever come even to remotely so long list a dressing any other contry I would really really like to see it.
You still haven’t said what country you are from. Judging by your comments it seems you are from Bosnia/Serbia and hellbent on the US for interfering in your mass extermination.
You got a first part right. What massive extermination? Of the Bosnian Muslims that in the mean time multiplyed like Catholic rabbit?
If you even did a brief locked at that article you would noticed how pore innocent Muslims in so called de militarized zone whare heavily armed & well protected by UN in the mean time making a nice road trips to surrounding villages to slater, butcher burn & do all other monstrouslys that you can or can’t imagine. Naturally they butcher mostly older Serb civilians that they culd find & the specialty whose decaptation, after they were done they would burn the place to the ground & they kept heads as trophies. & this lasted for years. Estimations are they killed a litle more than 1500 civilians. Naturally all of that is perfectly ok for you. Then again the shooting range of performed over the captured Muslim war prisoners whose a war crimes make no doubt about it but compared to monstrosity they actually did it whose at least rather civilized. The estimated numbers vary from 1000 to 3000 it’s probably somewhere in between, approximately another 3000 died fighting its way out & the rest of about 1300 died in battles during the war. I even exaggerated some of those numbers to keep it correct to the victims.
Now how about allied bombing of liberated Belgrade at the end of 2ww? You will try to convince me how that whose accident? Huge scale bombardment conducted as a large joint operating of IRF & US airforce but mainly US airforce that made bigger damage & civilian casualties than all of the German ones during the whole war time probably because you don’t actually expect that you’re so called allias would bombard you & 17 day’s after liberation & after the news of liberation actually did go around. & guess what no one never whose convicted for it.
How much insulting you think it could be for a peple that took a huge loses in Nazis war death labors like Jasenovac that Vatican & pope wants to proclaim the one of most notorious members of the NDH leader’s, hi ranked official & ideologiest for Saint?
100,000 deaths of Bosnian Muslims and Croatians most of them civilians. Bosnia receives millions in US government Aid every year.
Yes it received hundreds of millions smuggled in in guns ment for Bosnian Muslim army as humanitarian aid from US military forces all well financed from fundamental Islamist’s along with military training and all confirmed & well documented year’s after publicly by US Congress.
100K is more like final number of all casualties. Muslims did sustain highest casualties mainly because they ware actually more ag(fundamental), worser armed had less military experts & mostly because they ware majority, followed by number of Serbian casualties as the second largest peple & Croats. The one of the more wiser Muslim politician’s that whose actually against the war as a option actually told why would the Muslims fight for Bosnian independence when they can have it in a 10 years peacefully democratically when they become absolute majority. Naturally war fundamental closely tied to Islamistic fundamental & terorist organizations from the beginning political tide took a lead of events that came by the way it whose closely helped from the west.
“How many foreign governments are funded by the US? How many billions of dollars does the US invest in developing nations?”
As much as necessary to ensure economical imperialism worldwide ! xD
I never said the US was completely innocent. I have said all along they have skeletons in their closet. But to sit here and say they are the worst nation in the world when there are places where people are slaughtered for being a girl or for being the wrong religion is absolute lunacy.
Here is a list of countries that receive some sort of financial assistance from the US:
Afaghnistan
Iraq
Israel
Egypt
Pakistan
Jordan
Columbia
Poland
Philippines
Bahrain
Turkey
Oman
Romania
Morocco
Ukraine
El Salvador
Bulgaria
Bosnia
Yemen
Latvia
Lithuania
Estonia
Slovakia
Czech Republic
Hungary
Thailand
Indonesia
Cambodia
Slovenia
South Africa
Peru
Kenya
Syria
Bangladesh
Honduras
Nicaragua
Jamaica
Ukraine
This is only a small sample of the countries that receive money from the US government. Many of these countries the US actually funds their military. If that support goes away a lot of places would be a lot worse than they are right now. For the “worst nation” in the world we sure do help a lot of people out.
Funding militaries abroad is a way to secure contracts on military equipment. If US stop funding these armies, there won’t be chaos in these countries because Russian or French diplomats would fill in the gap to sign their own contracts ^^
Everything’s not white or black, and US isn’t the worst country, I agree. But US gvt doesnt defend its ppl, as everyone have witnessed it during 2008 crisis, when hundreds of thousand ppl became homeless while bankers got richer. Which is the modern form of violence : no more rapes or murders, but still as many lifes destroyed.
As a matter of fact we should stop this conversation before NSA got a grip on us ! I bet Lazar is already flagged as dangerous anti-american activist by now xD
Really doesn’t have much to do with contracts as most of the US military equipment is produced in the US. The US uses very little foreign supplied hardware. In fact most of those foreign militaries funded use older US Military planes, ships, guns and tanks. What funding them does is provide a strategic advantage around the world and some cases allows US Military bases in those countries.
I agree with you that we should stop this pointless polemic. I hope balco will agree too.
I will thanks for recommendations when I find some free time.
Yust a reminder. My former country Socialistic Federative Republic of Jugoslavija whose main & prime co hounded of “Pact of Non-Aligned countries”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Aligned_Movement
It whose only Socialistic country ever that whosent an Soviet satellite, it had a level of social justice that whose never even achieved anywhere else it also had the most valued passport in the world ever. It whose really to good to be true & it did actually bothered some. Feel free to guess who it whose the most.
On the other hand it also whose totalitar regime that whose repressing & so on…
NSA isn’t a Russian institution, so you’re wrong here!
It’s false?
Thanks. I trust you.
About the same as the rumors that Google, Apple, Microsoft, Samsung and Sony do the same thing.
Do you think there will be a Meizu Pro 6 with Exynos 8890 processor ?
No. Meizu bosses said the reason they didn’t use the Exnyos 8890 was because it didn’t support all of China’s networks, most specifically CDMA 2000.
Meizu is primarily sold in China so I don’t see them using that chip anytime soon unless Samsung comes out with a updated version that supports that network. It’s the same reason Samsung uses Snapdragon chips along side it’s own Exnyos chips in the S7.
And then there is the Mediatek investment in Meizu. It has been speculated for awhile now that Meizu would eventually drop other SoC companies due to the MTK investment.
Just shows People are after front-line tech, not last year’s SoC’s which is the majority of released products from Chinese companies at the moment. Noting many recent phones don’t even have 4G communications.
I can’t think of a single flagship this year that released with last years SoC:
Mi5 – SD820
Pro 6 – X25
G5 – SD820
S7 – 8890/820
P9 – Kirin 955
Mate 8 – Kirin 950
Le Max 2 – SD820
The Zuk Z1 shipped with a 2 year old SoC, the SD801 and it still sold it every flash sale it had. That shows people aren’t as concerned with SoC as some here seem to think.
I don’t lean on those types of somewhat over priced phones. Yeah you can get the P9 cheap in Europe. The Pro 6 and Mi5 not interesting enough and not community espoused. The Le Max 2 probably the most relevant to me, but it lacked NFC, so no go.
It’s strange that I’m a cheap skate as I have near no money concerns.
I am not saying any of those phones are good but you said other phones were using last years SoC’s. Most of the phones the Zuk is competing with are using 2016 SoC’s, the only exceptions I can think of are the Nexus phones and Nextbit.
I’m wanted that $250 phone that does everything and the hackers know it and also purchase it.
well this has to be the ugliest phone of the year so far, didn’t realise how bad it looked till I saw the images above. Must’ve been designed by blind man’s guide dog!
LOL rob
No way this is probably the second best looking phone this year after the Nextbit Robin.
You’re pulling my leg aren’t you? It’s hideous, makes some of Elephones offerings with those huge black borders pretty. On a different topic did you get the Thor yet?
No leg pulling, I love the design of this phone. I usually hate white phones but I would get the white version of this one.
I got my Thor on Friday and so far I like it. It’s not a great phone by any stretch, but more importantly everything works. It reminds me a lot of the Siswoo phones I used last year. Very good build quality, good touch screen (one of my biggest complaints on most budget phones), decent camera, decent audio, no lag in the UI. In 5 days of use I would give it a 7/10. So far it is a good first attempt for a company, but we still need to see how it holds up 1,3 and 6 months from now and how the updates/support is.
I actually like it too.
Is phones sounds too good to be true. Definitely would like one, however I would like to clear,clarify one thing.
What is the truth behind spyware and certain chinese brands uploading peoples info to their servers ?
That their is much less Spyware there then their is in well known traditional branded phones from traditional western orientated manufacturers. Naturally those contain NSA Spyware & backdoors.
NSA spywares shouldn’t be a problem for non-terrorists and non-activists users as they aren’t potential targets. But we don’t know what chinese companies listing may become, or in which hands it could fall ^^
It’s false?
Really? It’s not a problem if it comes from worst nation ever that did worse war crimes, genocide used all forbidden weapons from A bomb, caset bombs with white fosfor, napalm, uranium shells… Along with biological and chemical weapons & never ever whose broth to justice for any of those. But it is horrible if it comes from much more piceful nation that had its much more peaceful nature in printed deep in its culture.
If we put all of that besides it’s also OK that rights & privacy of individuals don’t wort a shit because who to fuck are them & what a fuck who believes in those so cold Democratic ideals today anyway.
Looks like we live in a very grim world today anyhow at least when you put it like that.
Unless you got tons of oil burried deep inside your garden or millions of members in your family willing to buy (or sell) weapons, i don’t think your personal informations are of great interest for NSA, even if they’re the bad guys.
Chinese companies may have corrupted members who will sell the company database for money, as I think they may have less control over the employees in China.
But that’s just a wild bet.
I have a lot of drinking water buried under my garden. They also don’t need to be personally used the geo tags can be used tomorrow for performing more precise triangulation for guided what ever you want. Your personal biometric data can be used for personal control. At the end I wanted actually to point out that no matter are my personal data of any importance to any National Security Agency they certainly have my own personal importance in my own personal intimacy & probably everyone will agree with it. That’s one of my basic human rights. I don’t know not even one single person what wouldn’t be pretty much pissed off if he (she) catches you digging trough it’s own personal intimate stuff.
Yes their is a lot of corruption in China but at the end it all ends up in government/state hand’s back again & it whose the same way all the way back in history no matter what political/state tipe of government whose on.
In the US their is a death penalty for those who commit well treason of government secrets. So far as much as I know there whose two sentences like that both of greedy US citizens who did it for the money & not some high ideology or other reasons. So think again how the things go in the land of opportunity.
At the end listen to my favorite NSA song if you want that is.
We Are In Control performed by Neil Young & his band The Crazy Horse on the albume Space Cowboys. 😉😂😂😂
Best of luck mate.
Thanks. I trust you.
About the same as the rumors that Google, Apple, Microsoft, Samsung and Sony do the same thing.
Stick with the major brands and you have no issues.
I can think of a lot worse nations. Countries where people are killed for being the wrong religion or having the wrong skin color. Countries where men are allowed to beat, rape and kill woman with little punishment. Countries where children are forced into being soldiers or slave workers. But this isn’t about politics it’s about Zuk, so let’s get back to phones.
If you look back at the US history you will find all of things you mentioned their & for most of those things you won’t need to go far back either.
One thing is certain this is not about politics & that actually whosent my intention anyhow me by a little promotion of human & individual rights, it’s about Zuk & I give you credits on that. It does look a little empty up on the front side along with that upper & down side could had been a bit smaller & actually physical button culd had been a litle less cubic don’t you think? All do all of those are details.
If you look back at the history of China, Germany, France, Italy and dozens of other nations you will find the same thing some extending further back than the US even existed. The events I described though are actually happening today. There are much worse places to live than the US.
So did I. Peple are still dying today from radiation poisoning in Iraq or Bosnia or Serbia & geting born with severe genetic deviations in Japan non of who had anything to do with it. Neither nor any other country have legacy like that behind!
NSA isn’t a Russian institution, so you’re wrong here!
“they certainly have my own personal importance in my own personal intimacy & probably everyone will agree with it”
C’mon… check how ppl share their intimacy on Facebook, that’s hilarious (or saddening, depends on pov).
Projects such as COINTELPRO are waaaay easier nowadays, thanks to internet 2.0 😉
BTW everyone concerned should flash stock android after buying a chinese phone…
Revisionist history at it’s finest mixed with some great ignorance. Let’s ignore the genocides that was going on in each one of those countries. Let’s ignore the chemical attacks like Halabaja that Saddam carried out against his own people. Let’s ignore the genocide that took place in Srebrenica. Let’s also ignore the fact that in both of those conflicts there was a coalition of countries that performed both ground and air attacks including Canada, Australia and most of the major European Nations. Let’s also act like Japan was completely innocent in WW2 and didn’t attack Pearl Harbor unprovoked. Keep in mind the US had no interest in WW2 before that attack. Much easier to just blame the US for all the world’s problems. I am sure life was perfect for Iraqi’s under Saddam’s rule, especially those that were Kurdish…
You just couldn’t let it go didn’t you?
I didn’t ignore anything just correct according to facts so let’s do go in order you used.
I don’t know about Saddam chemical attack, you will have to elaborate that one to me, what I did know it that they didn’t find any of those advanced biological weapons that whare used for excuse for strike, they did find bunch of old chemical weapons. Genocide is extermination of whole one nation to the point that their number is so small that they can’t be considered like a nation any more, so their couldn’t be a genocide that what happened in Srebrenica, how ever it whose a war crime against mainly war prisoner’s all do their also whose & civilians executed. All in all in numbers under 5K & today their is more Bosnian Muslims in number then their whose before war & less of all others, again this whose used as excuse for military strike. Only real genocide in relatively newer history whose one conducted on real native American Indians & they even used plainly biological weapons to finish them of, blankets infected with small pox & all of this is well documented. EU & other actors didn’t had nor used depleted uranium shells.
Beyond reasonable doubt it whose known that Japan will capitulate after first A bomb whose dropped but they had to go with another one. In fact it whose so obvious that they did had to blame someone. Do you know who took the blame? They convicted a pilot of the second bomber even he whose just plane regular solder who followed order’s. Also most of US military personal that did operate in Iraq on tanks that used uranium shells later died from cancer that whose direct consequence of radiation poisoning as someone forgot to mention them that they need to operate with full radiation protection suits all the time & even so what is the max time they culd spend in. & I won’t ignore that & neither should anyone.
If you think one military base that whose bombarded is enough to justify bombardment & burning to the ground of every larger city in Japan then I don’t have words about you. Just to remind you Cities are mostly civilians & in military base are mostly military personnel. As the Attack on Pearl Harbor whosent enough justification at the end they made a propaganda movies about how Japanese actually wanted to take Australia & reason is so that they can get resources they lacked. Naturally this doesn’t make any sense to anyone with at least some brain’s. Funniest part is they still show those movies on decommissioned vessels that are used as war navy museums today.
Do the people in Iraq or those Kurds or peple at Libya or anywhere else for that matter live much better today? Do you think that Croats & Muslims in Bosnia also don’t die from that same radiation poisoning? I culd actually go for days like this & not because I personally hate Americans all that much (I don’t hate peple at all & I like moder culture) but because there are so much examples.
It’s not my to blame Americans nor do I have any intention to do that it’s up to American people to blame & change behavior of their political leadership & politics in the future.
Intimacy is not a fucking sex thing you know. Intimacy is adequate for all of those moments that you have & are your own personal, hidden that you want to keep for your self as they define you because they mean a lot to you a moment of happiness, sorrow…
I could have let it go until you started with your whole “US is the Devil and responsible for everything” propaganda.
You don’t know about Sadam’s Chemical attacks? Here you go read up on it.
http://www.ibtimes.com/25-years-after-worst-chemical-weapon-massacre-history-saddam-husseins-attack-halabja-iraq-city
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2016/03/remembering-halabja-chemical-attack-160316061221074.html
– According to the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia, what happened in Srebrenica was in fact a genocide.
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/03/world/judge-s-words-cleansing-became-genocide.html?scp=6&sq=srebrenica%20genocide%20krstic%202001&st=cse
You really believe your own BS that the only “real” Genocide was the American Indians? Guess you missed the period in Germany from 1933-1945. Or in Rwanda, Ottoman Empire, Cambodia, Burundi, Bangladesh and is still happening throughout Africa. Maybe you should invest in a history book.
I don’t claim the US is innocent in anything, they have a lot of skeletons in their closest especially in Japan. But for you to sit there and spew all this revisionist history is absolutely laughable. I don’t know where you went to school but you’re history classes failed you. The US has done a lot of bad in this world, but they also do a lot of good. How many foreign governments are funded by the US? How many billions of dollars does the US invest in developing nations? I travel around the world for work and I have been to dozens of countries where people are living on dirt floors and don’t have access to food or clean water because their governments are so corrupt. You have a very delusional view of the world if you think the US is the worst nation.
Even stock Android isn’t necessarily safe. There are rumors of Google selling off data to the government. Anyone who is really concerned should limit the personal data they keep on their phone.
First of all genocide is when one whole racial, political, or cultural group is systematically deliberately destroyed to the measure that it can not recover. Everything else culd be characterized as a try to make genocide if it contains all the elements of it. So there ware a lot of tries of genocide from Nazis one over Jewish peple to the one Turks tried over Armenians, there are also examples when one nation had so big loses that it almost ended up extinct like Serbs in the first world War when they lost over 50% of the melee reproductive population or Russian loses in the second world War but it still doesn’t make it a genocide because those ethnic groups or national ones suriwed & preserved they culture in the large enough number to carry on & make it up again. There are other historical examples of genocide but they are rather old & aren’t documented as for example Semerians. If killing of over a 1M of Armenians & not selectively including women & children is not characterized as genocide & killing of under 5000 of which more than 90% belong to the meele population between 17 to 60 year’s that had been in active military service & ware considered as prisoners of war then ok let it be meanwhile when Israel did worse things in Gaza they only got a applause followed with: financial, logistical & direct military aid so that they can do it even more effective next time I guess. But make no mistake Srebrenica whose a horrible war crime!
US never ever really wanted independent nor developing countries that’s why deliberately destroyed every try of something like that. What they did want whose & is a nice network of satellites & naturally they did finance based on their interests & pretty much not anything else.
Again why we are having this conversation again?
By your definition there is no such thing as genocide then. There are still over 5 millions American Indians living in the world. By the real world definition of genocide: “the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation.” All of those classify. We are having this conversation because you seem to be under the false pretense that the US is the worst nation in the world.
Estimate goes from 1 to 8M, native Americans make 0.9% of population In the US, In 1950’s their whose only 0.2 this certainly is a large grow so their at least is still a hope…
Source:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States
Still this is at very low level for the peple that once made for 100% of population.
Then again by the way you look at it their whose so much of Genocide so I would like to hear you actually say jes we did it over the… But then again that ain’t going to happen ever Is it? Now I don’t think that their is anything good from stigmatizing anyone nor making a victim or executioner from anyone. I also think that making a collective blame on anyone is a very bad thing.
Still those individuals who ware responsible should be accordingly punished. I don’t see things as black and white nor good & bad in its grayed out traditional sense. Fact is no one ever really whose ever punished for thing’s he whose responsible from the US & this practice is there to long to be acceptable. Do you really think that Americans are superior, above everyone & anything how that actually makes all of those things that you know are wrong OK because it whose done for some greater good that somehow always slips the common sense? Well actually that whose essence of Nazis ideology.
I will ask just one more thing. Are their peple that live in US & are US citizens that live in extreme poverty and under the conditions of human dignity? How much their is of those in %? Where do they live? Don’t worry I do know answer’s. So wouldn’t be lovely that US stops so called helping to all of us poor beggars of the world & instead help their own peple? We would certainly appreciate it.
Wikipedia isn’t exactly the most reliable source. The National Congress of American Indians puts the population at 2.9 million that are 100% American Indian and 5.2 million mixed race. There are thousands of groups that used to be 100% of the population of a specific country or region that aren’t anymore due to migration, wars and tragedies. You still seem to think the only place this happened was the US. You also seem to ignore that a large part of the killing of American Indians happened before the US was an actual country. The Spanish Conquistadors alone were responsible for over 500,000 deaths of Native Americans. France, the Netherlands, Spain and England were responsible for millions of Native American deaths in their colonization efforts. Again open a history a book.
According the to the CIA Factbook, the USA has roughly 15.1% of the population living below the poverty line. Other countries at or above 15% are Germany, United Kingdom, Morocco and Belgium. According to World Bank 41 countries have a poverty level over 40%, 68% have at least one fourth of the population living in poverty. Once again there are much worse countries to live in. I can keep proving you wrong night long, I don’t mind.
Just of curiosity what country do you come from?
The one that had poverty rate under 2% & now it’s over 30%.
So basically around 47M peple live in poverty in US of which 21M live in extreme poverty. That is a pretty much peple don’t you think? So how can US actually resolve this issues in other countries if it can’t in its own?
I am well aware what happened during colonization of America & what conquistadors & company did. But I am also well aware how their is much more of the Indian population alive and with well preserved culture in other countries on the continent.
OK take your time convincing me wrong as the list is actually largest ever.
http://www.the-philosopher.co.uk/whocares/popups/warcrimes.htm
You how ever did convinced me how Srebrenica whose a genocide.
That makes a large list with rather conservative estimates of victims that you will find on that page are sites where US made genocide as; their whare; planed, on larger scale, with more casualties & bigger rate of civilian & other non military personnel…
If you ever come even to remotely so long list a dressing any other contry I would really really like to see it.
Edit:
By the way if you want to read about what actually is known so far did happen in Srebrenica all good factographicly backend up & striped from most of politic read this.
http://www.unz.com/article/srebrenica-1995-2015-just-the-facts-without-propaganda-or-embellishment/
If not well that is your opinion that you are in titled to & I don’t have any problems with that. It’s a free world at least on paper.
Lazar Prodanovic, excellent come backs. Would’ve loved to get involved but unfortunately read this section too late. Don’t be surprised by balcos knowledge, in america educational institutions are owned by businesses, “education” is manipulated for greater agendas. When you break the news to Americans they’re reply is always humorous. Patriotic individuals are like a disease.
Not always. The list I represent is actually a copy of the list that whose originally made by the American profesor of political science but he whole shortly silenced after that & original list disappeared in to thin air. So much about constitutional right of freedom of speech along with press freedom along with it.
You still haven’t said what country you are from. Judging by your comments it seems you are from Bosnia/Serbia and hellbent on the US for interfering in your mass extermination.
That’s more than a rumor, according to Snowden !
You’re right, stock android isn’t 100% safe, but it’s the safest mobile OS right now, unless you go for Ubuntu, since chinese versions aren’t safe and Apple / Microsoft are giving informations to gvt agencies as well.
I was just pointing out the fact that NSA won’t become interested in a citizen’s personnal data unless this citizen has “suspicious” activities, based on a list of “suspicious” activities which is consantly growing, i’m aware of that too.
You’re also right on the personal data part too, since we can’t fully get rid of piracy thru key logging and packet sniffing. That’s why i never use my phone to log into my bank account…
If I may… you should read Gore Vidal and Noam Chomsky about US history and how to replace it in broader historical context.
I have used virtually every Chinese UI, majority of them are safe, in fact most of the times when they are not safe it’s a result of a reseller loading spyware or malware onto the device not the OEM.
But like you said the NSA, CIA, Chinese Government, MI6 etc doesn’t give two shits about average Joe citizen using his smartphone. If you aren’t on any government watch lists you have little to worry about. Now if you live in a country on when of their watch lists (like Syria at the moment) then you should be taking every step possible to guard your privacy.
“How many foreign governments are funded by the US? How many billions of dollars does the US invest in developing nations?”
As much as necessary to ensure economical imperialism worldwide ! xD
Corrupted gvt you’re mentioning often are the gvt funded by US, as they’re goal isn’t ppl quality of life but implementation of US business in this countries.
Check how many coups were US backed in central / south america during the 80’s.
I never said the US was completely innocent. I have said all along they have skeletons in their closet. But to sit here and say they are the worst nation in the world when there are places where people are slaughtered for being a girl or for being the wrong religion is absolute lunacy.
Here is a list of countries that receive some sort of financial assistance from the US:
Afaghnistan
Iraq
Israel
Egypt
Pakistan
Jordan
Columbia
Poland
Philippines
Bahrain
Turkey
Oman
Romania
Morocco
Ukraine
El Salvador
Bulgaria
Bosnia
Yemen
Latvia
Lithuania
Estonia
Slovakia
Czech Republic
Hungary
Thailand
Indonesia
Cambodia
Slovenia
South Africa
Peru
Kenya
Syria
Bangladesh
Honduras
Nicaragua
Jamaica
Ukraine
This is only a small sample of the countries that receive money from the US government. Many of these countries the US actually funds their military. If that support goes away a lot of places would be a lot worse than they are right now. For the “worst nation” in the world we sure do help a lot of people out.
You got a first part right. What massive extermination? Of the Bosnian Muslims that in the mean time multiplyed like Catholic rabbit?
If you even did a brief locked at that article you would noticed how pore innocent Muslims in so called de militarized zone whare heavily armed & well protected by UN in the mean time making a nice road trips to surrounding villages to slater, butcher burn & do all other monstrouslyities that you can or can’t imagine. Naturally they butcher mostly orderly Serb civilians that they culd find & the specialty whose decaptation, after they were done they would burn the place to the ground & they kept heads as trophies. & this lasted for years. Estimations are they killed a litle more than 1500 civilians. Naturally all of that is perfectly ok for you. Then again the shooting range of performed over the captured Muslim war prisoners whose a war crimes make no doubt about it but compared to monstrosity they actually did it whose at least rather civilized. The estimated numbers vary from 1000 to 3000 it’s probably somewhere in between, approximately another 3000 died fighting its way out & the rest of about 1300 died in battles during the war. I even exaggerated some of those numbers to keep it correct to the victims.
Now how about allied bombing of liberated Belgrade at the end of 2ww? You will try to convince me how that whose accident? Huge scale bombardment conducted as a large joint operating of IRF & US airforce but mainly US airforce that made bigger damage & civilian casualties than all of the German ones during the whole war time probably because you don’t actually expect that you’re so called allias would bombard you & 17 day’s after liberation & after the news of liberation actually did go around. & guess what no one never whose convicted for it.
How much insulting you think it could be for a peple that took a huge loses in Nazis war death labors like Jasenovac that Vatican & pope wants to proclaim the one of most notorious members of the NDH leader’s, hi ranked official & ideologiest for Saint?
100,000 deaths of Bosnian Muslims and Croatians most of them civilians. Bosnia receives millions in US government Aid every year.
But this conversation has run its course, you are pissed about the US interfering in your country. You think it’s the worst nation in the world. You are wrong. Let’s get back to phones. This will be my last reply on this topic.
Except I studied all over the world including in Australia, Thailand, China, England and India. So I guess that proves you wrong. Wanna try again?
I will thanks for recommendations when I find some free time.
Yust a reminder. My former country Socialistic Federative Republic of Jugoslavija whose main & prime co hounded of “Pact of Non-Aligned countries”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Aligned_Movement
It whose only Socialistic country ever that whosent an Soviet satellite, it had a level of social justice that whose never even achieved anywhere else it also had the most valued passport in the world ever. It whose really to good to be true & it did actually bothered some. Feel free to guess who it whose the most.
On the other hand it also whose totalitar regime that whose repressing & so on…
Yes it received hundreds of millions smuggled in in guns ment for Bosnian Muslim army as humanitarian aid from US military forces all well financed from fundamental Islamist’s along with military training and all confirmed & well documented year’s after publicly by US Congress.
Funding militaries abroad is a way to secure contracts on military equipment. If US stop funding these armies, there won’t be chaos in these countries because Russian or French diplomats would fill in the gap to sign their own contracts ^^
Everything’s not white or black, and US isn’t the worst country, I agree. But US gvt doesnt defend its ppl, as everyone have witnessed it during 2008 crisis, when hundreds of thousand ppl became homeless while bankers got richer. Which is the modern form of violence : no more rapes or murders, but still as many lifes destroyed.
As a matter of fact we should stop this conversation before NSA got a grip on us ! I bet Lazar is already flagged as dangerous anti-american activist by now xD
100K is more like final number of all casualties. Muslims did sustain highest casualties mainly because they ware actually more aggressive (fundamental), worser armed had less military experts & mostly because they ware majority, followed by number of Serbian casualties as the second largest peple & Croats. The one of the more wiser Muslim politician’s that whose actually against the war as a option actually told why would the Muslims fight for Bosnian independence when they can have it in a 10 years peacefully democratically when they become absolute majority. Naturally war fundamental closely tied to Islamistic fundamental & terorist organizations from the beginning political tide took a lead of events that came by the way it whose closely helped from the west.
Really doesn’t have much to do with contracts as most of the US military equipment is produced in the US. The US uses very little foreign supplied hardware. In fact most of those foreign militaries funded use older US Military planes, ships, guns and tanks. What funding them does is provide a strategic advantage around the world and some cases allows US Military bases in those countries.
I agree with you that we should stop this pointless polemic. I hope balco will agree too.
Do you think there will be a Meizu Pro 6 with Exynos 8890 processor ?
No. Meizu bosses said the reason they didn’t use the Exnyos 8890 was because it didn’t support all of China’s networks, most specifically CDMA 2000.
Meizu is primarily sold in China so I don’t see them using that chip anytime soon unless Samsung comes out with a updated version that supports that network. It’s the same reason Samsung uses Snapdragon chips along side it’s own Exnyos chips in the S7.
And then there is the Mediatek investment in Meizu. It has been speculated for awhile now that Meizu would eventually drop other SoC companies due to the MTK investment.
Just shows People are after front-line tech, not last year’s SoC’s which is the majority of released products from Chinese companies at the moment. Noting many recent phones don’t even have 4G communications.
I can’t think of a single flagship this year that released with last years SoC:
Mi5 – SD820
Pro 6 – X25
G5 – SD820
S7 – 8890/820
P9 – Kirin 955
Mate 8 – Kirin 950
Le Max 2 – SD820
The Zuk Z1 shipped with a 2 year old SoC, the SD801 and it still sold it every flash sale it had. That shows people aren’t as concerned with SoC as some here seem to think.
I don’t lean on those types of somewhat over priced phones. Yeah you can get the P9 cheap in Europe. The Pro 6 and Mi5 not interesting enough and not community espoused. The Le Max 2 probably the most relevant to me, but it lacked NFC, so no go.
It’s strange that I’m a cheap skate as I have near no money concerns.
I’m wanted that $250 phone that does everything and the hackers know it and also purchase it.
I am not saying any of those phones are good but you said other phones were using last years SoC’s. Most of the phones the Zuk is competing with are using 2016 SoC’s, the only exceptions I can think of are the Nexus phones and Nextbit.
well this has to be the ugliest phone of the year so far, didn’t realise how bad it looked till I saw the images above. Must’ve been designed by blind man’s guide dog!
LOL rob
No way this is probably the second best looking phone this year after the Nextbit Robin.
You’re pulling my leg aren’t you? It’s hideous, makes some of Elephones offerings with those huge black borders pretty. On a different topic did you get the Thor yet?
No leg pulling, I love the design of this phone. I usually hate white phones but I would get the white version of this one.
I got my Thor on Friday and so far I like it. It’s not a great phone by any stretch, but more importantly everything works. It reminds me a lot of the Siswoo phones I used last year. Very good build quality, good touch screen (one of my biggest complaints on most budget phones), decent camera, decent audio, no lag in the UI. In 5 days of use I would give it a 7/10. So far it is a good first attempt for a company, but we still need to see how it holds up 1,3 and 6 months from now and how the updates/support is.
I actually like it too.
It’s called flash sale for a reason: you literally need to be the Flash to get in on the action. I just don’t even bother.
Yea it happens with every brand too. Worst part is a lot of the times the “winners” of the flash sales are resellers who will jack the price up.
When the small guys do it, it’s a necessity; when the big guys do it, it’s a tactic. Either way, consumers lose. I guess that’s the unfortunate reality we live in today :(.
It’s called flash sale for a reason: you literally need to be the Flash to get in on the action. I just don’t even bother.
Yea it happens with every brand too. Worst part is a lot of the times the “winners” of the flash sales are resellers who will jack the price up.
When the small guys do it, it’s a necessity; when the big guys do it, it’s a tactic. Either way, consumers lose. I guess that’s the unfortunate reality we live in today :(.