Open Thread: MediaTek vs Qualcomm Snapdragon

X30 is mix of a bad design & bad IP decisions and I am certain you are aware of that much. I doubt that Qualcomm will make anything much more smarter regarding upcoming designs. Sometimes I wonder culd a trained monkey do a better job then heads of “most leading” semiconductor corps.

You forgot HiSilicon & Samsung even they don’t sell much costumer products out of main head firm.

Spedtrum actually culd rise a lot & they did a couple of smart moves so far as strong partner relationship with CEVA. We will see. At the end me by some of those monkeys I mentioned before reads what we have to say hire regarding design and devote actual design of future products based upon it.

I know about Rockchip but it’s still previous gen unfortunately.

Spedtrum needs to develop self 4G LTE competitive cellular radio thats why the CEVA partnership is so important. I didn’t mention Rockchip nor others that never showed intention of developing nor even using as IP celular radio purposely. I had to mention Samsung as it’s second largest high integrated circuits manufacturer in the world (& gaining towards Intel) not with their SoC’s but pretty much with everything else. I am not interested in highest performance SoC’s nor do I think x30 will be a rather good design I am interested in solid mid range ones but turned toward real usage needs & optimized for all the needs someone would perform with them. After all this is most important segment & one where biggest sails actually is.

First I am not neglecting anything especially not financial part. Secondly put from already tiped out parts (POP) developing & producing a SoC on FinFET lithographic proces is not much considerably pricier. Second thing is if you utilize all 4 A73s at 1.8GHz vs two of them at 2.8GHz they will be able to do equal amount of job or quad one would be a even bit ahead. Now let’s say they are made on 10 nm FinFET TSMC & that two at 2.8 will consume 1500mV wile quad at 1.8 will consume half of that. I know that most of apps use only two CPUs I also know that most of apps don’t really need all that power. Now considered that A73 at 1.8GHz is equivalent to A53 at 3.15GHz (by my more modest performance ratio of A73s compared to actual Arm’s projections [me 175% ARM 190%]). Don’t you think that’s enough? Most people find A53s at 2GHz satisfactionary. At the end I must ask why do you think that SoC that would actually provide best user experience would fail? MTK dose put weaker GPU’s but purposely because they take largest part of die size. That is their way to say we made a fantastic products that is equal to concurrent one & we are selling it much cheaper. I didn’t go unrealistic with neither the size nor cost for a GPU in that sketch of SoC of mine. GPU’s need to advance along with mobile gaming but along user experience wile doing so should go forward. So I actually proposed a GPU that would cost same amount as current one used on Kirins 950,955 & X20 that would be equal performing but would use half the power wile doing so. That is enough for enjoyable experience on FHD display I didn’t go for 8 or 12 or even 16 clusters ones & 2K, 4K displays nor VR as I think that’s still not possible wile retaining desirable user experience (not even for QC). It makes a lot of differences if you can game 2.5h or 4h on one battery charge.

Take a look at power efficiency diagrams presented by ARM for the A73s. You will see that they are a bit more efficient than A9s. Now try to remember some of very famous A9 SoC’s that didn’t had any litle clusters to back them up like for instance Exunos from original S3 (first quad core ever) or Panda bords. So you see A73 can go self stand without A53s or A35s especially on FinFET. I know ARM originally promoted idea of a dual A73 & quad A53 clusters but it’s actually wrong & far worser that quad A73 alone. Now let’s also consider how an A73 at 400MHz will consume less power than A53 at 700MHz at same production process & this is enough for smooth scrolling. It will also consume even lesser at 1GHz vs A53 at 1.75 GHz & this is enough for almost anything. So you don’t need a big litle for anything anymore you see.

Actuality no one tried to make anything that would really be orientated towards consumers in a very long time now & opposite to you I actually think it would be embraced very good from both costumers & market as to hell we really need something like that. As much as I know most part of the market share still belongs to mid segment in almost any traditional or less traditional market segment like for instance desktop CPUs or GPU’s, top & bottom are much smaller & flatter. I don’t see why would it be any different in SoC market.

Well you do have imagined a whole phone for that matter.

Teling someone how battery can last whole day is crazy, SOT time & power consumption in sleep state /h is relevant. Well we can’t talk about bang for $ & continue with A72s as they take 3x the space of A53…

I on the other hand would opted for Amoled & 5.2″ one FHD with thin enough bezels. Market met phones already that came with SoC that would approximately cost as the one I imagined & with pretty good build & everything else for $150 (Mi4c with S808) on days when resellers wanted to get rid of them so it’s actually possible not that anyone with a new product would go with price like that. One thing I give you a credit is a removable battery as I also like & prefer them. Sufficient user experience is not subjective category ist our physical limitation to spot something so it’s a blink of an eye timing.

Even with Pentile matrix that also means 2/3 of nominal resolution for the B, R not 1/2 but it also means very high contrast, real black, deeper colors & at least 20% smaller power consumption. I don’t know how to brake it to you but Leds even with full HDR (1000 nits & dynamic processing) standard aren’t there yet in some arias they come close like that but still not the same (including all known matrix & quantum dot’s…). Don’t have anything against JDI Lcd’s. When you huck up once to Amoled their is hardly a way back.

Care to elaborate?

From the way you talk – with a casual “like” thrown in, and an attempted (but failed) sarcasm, it’s quite apparent that you don’t know much about manufacturers and what they put in their devices. Here’s an incomplete list of phones which housed the 6595 SoC, “like” a lot more than just 2:

Meizu MX4

Meizu M1 Note

Coolpad X7

Coolpad Grand 5

Jiayu S3

Lenovo Vibe X2

Lenovo A936

Alcatel Idol Series (1 top-end variant, released later)

Of course, I’ve left out the brand you mentioned. Never really heard of them.

No, not worth the effort and argument that will ensue.

— “I won’t even start to say what kind of prick you are” —

Pot calling the kettle black, dickhead.

I’m assuming you’re entirely (not mostly) a miserable dickhead and a troll rolled into one, going by how you don’t like the taste of your own medicine. Review your idiotic responses first before expecting courtesy and polite dialog from others. I didn’t post here for someone to throw sarcasm around, or guess which phone I might or might not have owned. Could have asked, instead of judging “from the way he talks”.

Freakin’ pimp.

There’s like (wink wink ) a hundred chinese brand, some of them being merely a rebrand of others. I think it’s pretty much impossible to know all of them. Zopo was much more relevant 3 years ago. They’ve lost a lot of wind since then.

He probably ment S4…

You’re either a liar MTK hater or mistaken. MediaTek SoC’s don’t have GPS feature / antenna in them – just an FYI.

One has to download an engineering tool (I forget the name, something with MTK uncle) – this downloads files called EPO files from MediaTek’s servers, and they need to be downloaded monthly and updated (very prone to failure). GizChina had an article on it as well (Google it).

However, once you’ve downloaded this EPO, lock times come down from an hour to about 10-12 minutes (under an open sky, not indoor), and it all happens in the software, nothing to do with the MTK chip.

I have personally used the EPO files, but now I have Exynos which doesn’t need EPO files since I think the chip has GPS.

Maybe MTK should include EPO files when shipping phone? So that users don’t have to download them? I don’t know why they don’t do that.

Calm down, I’m neither a liar, nor an MTK hater.

Me and my gf both have MTK phones currently. And some friends of mine to … I simply saw that they fix GPS way slower than every qualcomm phone I’ve seen, and supposed it had to do with mediatek. That and, obviously, maybe half-informed posts that confirmed it online.

BTW, both my mtk phones can fix much faster than 10-12 min. More like 3-5 (yes, I’ve DLed EPO). But any QC phone i’ve seen (even entry level one) would have instant fix, like 5-30 seconds. Even under bad condition.

Not considering technical reasons, it’s a fact MTK equiped phones have weaker GPS.

Edit : Quite in the same way, I’m not that clear on WHY mediatek phones get so little updates and custom roms. But it’s a fact … I considered a leagoo shark 1, and what made me avoid it was, like with many MTK phones

1 / android 5.1, will probably never see anything else. Asked on XDA if there was any chance of custom roms … and the answer was “MTK phones = very slim chance of any custom roms.”

2 / lack of some bands for 4G

10 minutes? Maybe with the old 65xx ones..

GPS works perfectly in newer MTK socs.

Weaker CPU is no problem because there is no game which needs that performance…

For mid range or low end devices, definitely Mediatek, for higher end devices, Samsung or Kirin from Huawei. Qualcomm is overpriced and they are bullies like Microsoft or Apple.

HAHA that sentece with illegally earned money made my day lol 😀 Im real gangstar now with my mafia money because I got Snap 820 in my device! MTK chips got like no GPU its not about optimalization its raw power that you can test in all benchmarks.. MTK cant compete vs single power Snap CPUs if you want high end you will get Snap820 its the same in Desktop segment when you want high end you arent gonna buy AMD you will stick to Intel / Nvidia even if its twice its price. If you dont have money AMD in desktop or MTK in mobile is perfect sweet spot for you. If you have money there is holding you buying Snap820 / Nvidia / Intel.

Sadly, like microsoft or apple (or nividia while we’re at it) QC overpricing and borderline monopolistic strategies does not mean they don’t have objectively good product.