New Chuwi 2in1 tablet Hi10 Pro launches on August 15th

I have had the Cube talk 9x now for over 2 years. My brother has had one for the same time frame. The build quality is excellent. Its been a pleasure to work with, no issues. They haven’t upgraded from KitKat, but that doesn’t really bother me. There have only been 2 updates that came through pretty early on. Nothing since though and there official firmware download page is is Chinese. Luckily there are some custom roms floating around..From what I have read around the place Cube kinda leads the pack for build quality. While Chuwi leads with pricing and there build qaulitity suffers a little. I saw an unboxing where the screws in the keyboard fell out(Hi12). I have ordered a Hi12 and should get it in the next week or 2. It was about $50 cheaper than a cube equivalent and the screen is better(old Surface Pro 3 screen). So I am hoping my gamble pays off :-). TechTablets compares all these tablets.

You don’t know much about phones either, so don’t feel too bad about not knowing much about tablets dinlo.

Cube and Teclast are on par as their tablets build quality is equivalent. Chuwi is clearly behind.

Best Cube serie is Cube Ix (I7 – I9 – I10) with Core M and Wacom Stylus

Best Teclast serie is X98 (AIR, AIR II, etc…) with Atom X5

It seems their “2 in 1” series are on par, but I don’t really know as i only own I7 and X98 AIR models. BTW you should check techtablets.com

It’s actually worse. It literally is worse in performance but given that it also has to do far more things than a phone SoC, it’s actually despicable. I know people being happy with their Z8300 tablets but that’s only because they do very basic things, once you start (trying) to use it as a regular laptop the whole thing comes tumbling down.

It needs the patience that operating a netbook used to, only it’s worse because the added layer of touch actually lead to frequent lock ups when ram’s at the limit and paging is used. It’s a frustrating experience to try to use it as a computer, and in mere tablet use, it’s still far from a speed demon.

The good news is that the upswell of 2in1s seems to be drying up. Finally an army of ultrabook is coming along in only slightly higher prices ($500 for Mi air base model) but faaar more useful.

I think Chinese companies should leave 2in1s to Microsoft, I think they’re the only to do it well, and even them struggle when compared to a (far) cheaper ultrabook.

The Z8300 is only meant for basic things, anyone who needs a full fledged laptop should get a full laptop and not a budget tablet. An Ultrabook is more useful for some, but not everyone. For me personally a cheap in 2 in 1 is far more useful than an Ultrabook for the mere fact that I can use it as an Android Tablet when I don’t need full Windows.

Microsoft does a very good job with their 2 in 1’s but they also cost upwards of $700. Chinese companies should continue what they are doing and offering affordable alternatives. Several of them are starting to launch Core M3 2 in 1’s that are hundreds cheaper than the Core M3 Surface.

To you the value is determined by the SoC and nothing else, to me it’s about the whole package.

When the SoC is so underwhelming it diminishes the whole package by a lot. Android x86 is not the best and it diminishes further by low end SoCs, Windows machines running atoms are a frustrating experience too.

It’s 2016’s netbook. Slow, little battery and doubtful usefulness…

Again SoC is a primary concern to you, for me it is not.

It is of very little concern to me but I do like how you think your opinion is the only one that can be correct. To me $200 and under is very far from “mythic amounts of money”.

It is your opinion that the Z8300 being “the worst SoC” matters to me, it does not. I do very basic things on my tablet, things that Z8300 is more than powerful enough for.

“only a tiny minority seeks significantly less performance and battery for more money.” You keep mentioning more money but you have yet to show a tablet with a SD652 like you keep mentioning that is cheaper. In order for something to cost more there has to be something that costs less.

All the time the opinion you are injecting is huge and you think that you’re opinion is a fact, you often get those two confused. It is your opinion that I am paying for “bad engineering”. It is my opinion that I am paying for a lot more than just a SoC.

In other words the SoC is the least of my concerns when buying a tablet.

SD652 phones are cheaper. The only reason that SD652 tablets are not equally so is because they are not produced by the Chinese. Instead they prefer the awful Z8300.

SD652 >>> Z8300. That’s not an opinion, that’s a fact. The idea that people like slow SoCs/tablets for more money is an opinion, it goes directly against human experience in pretty much anything.

Another fact: if you can produce a SoC (for the same money) that produces half the performance for almost twice the TDP then you are a bad engineer.

Now if you keep paying those engineers, you are paying bad engineering. This is not an opinion, this is literally how it is.

If I keep paying an “expert” who fumbles his work , I’m paying for a guy who is bad at his work. It’s very simple really.

Tablets have higher needs than phones. Low performance is a frustrating experience on phones, doubly so on tablets.

For a time I had the Note 3 and the Note 10.1 tablet (same specs). The tablet would lag far more as it had to draw much more things at any given time (similar DPI in a bigger screen means more draw calls)…

So using a weak chip on a tablet actually make things even worse than if you used it on a phone. Again, that’s because of the smaller screen and thus less things to draw.

That’s another fact BTW. So we now have two: SD652 murders Z8300 *and* tablets make more draw calls at any given moment, make the difference even more exaggerated.

Now if you want to discard solid advice, be my guest, make the mistake and learn from the consequences.

Of course there’s not a single one that supports Windows, Windows dropped support for ARM. It’s also a very bad OS for touch as it lacks 90% of the apps that Android/iOS has. But like I said in older posts you’re free to choose bad engineering.

So if there isn’t a single one for Windows, there is no point arguing about it. Windows 10 is the best OS for productivity which is why a lot of people use Windows Tablets.

Which returns you to my point. If you want productivity why in the hell buy an atom equipped , 10 incher. Don’t you see that you waste Windows 10 like that?

I’m still unclear what you want. A Z8300 equipped tablet is bad, better go to far cheaper solutions.

If you want a laptop for productivity prefer an ultra book. Even the cheap one from Xiaomi is 10 times better despite only being $500 , than any of those cheap 2in1s. Don’t -waste-your-money on something that is good as neither a tablet nor a productive machine, that’s my main point.

IF finally you want a 2in1 buy Surface Pro, it’s *really* the only game in town, every other 2in1 is several steps down…